Welcome to College Football 2024!

[Tin Man]

I know, right? All 18yo freshmen at UT are rolling in new cars that are well north of $100k.

Jealous, much?

Show us your ride from when you were 18.

 

[ftsandersvol]

Show us your ride from when you were 18.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

That is about the dumbest take out there. You think Mahomes’ house was given to him, his car or any other luxuries he has? He paid for them. So if a player is getting paid NIL. Then he or she can pay for their education.

That's a bogus comparison. No college athlete is given a house, car, or other luxury by the school.

It's silly to conflate NIL money with pay by the university, or by a pro team.

What you want would guarantee that the best athletes would go somewhere else. Fortunately, no one in the UT administration is that stupid.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The "legal challenge" aspect dies with the exemption. You can't challenge someone for violating a law they have been exempted from. There will ultimately be a compromise, it will result in athletes receiving money from the schools, but how that ends up looking in the end is far from certain and is not likely to make either "side" entirely happy.

The NCAA isn't going to get an anti-trust exemption. Tubby can't even get his bill out of committee, let alone get the Senate to pass it.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Did they use the University’s facilities? Did they use the University’s trainers, coaches. Teachers for tuition. Did they pay for them?

Non Sequitur. Logical fallacy.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

The NCAA isn't going to get an anti-trust exemption. Tubby can't even get his bill out of committee, let alone get the Senate to pass it.

Never said they were, but there is mass confusion about the legalities involved here, to the point where we can't have a decent conversation. It is a basic fact that everyone needs to understand that the issue here are these laws that were passed by Congress (the Antitrust laws), and only Congress can change them to bring any semblance of order to the sport.

 

[kell7517]

the QB, RB, and WR sell more jerseys. They bring more national attention... which all things point towards... you gussed it. More money, lol.

But they can’t be productive without the linemen. But obviously you didn’t see my point. So no need to fool with you

 

[kell7517]

That's a bogus comparison. No college athlete is given a house, car, or other luxury by the school.

It's silly to conflate NIL money with pay by the university, or by a pro team.

What you want would guarantee that the best athletes would go somewhere else. Fortunately, no one in the UT administration is that stupid.

See what my response to first, before you put your 2 cents worth in the discussion. Since you brought up Mahomes. But maybe you don’t now how to go back a page or use a forum.

 

[midtnvol2]

Everybody made money off of college football except the players.

Cam Newton , Tua, and many others would not agree with you. Pay for play has gone on for years privately, NIL just made it legal to talk about it in the open.

 

[kell7517]

Non Sequitur. Logical fallacy.

No makes perfect sense. You said it wasn’t free. If it’s not free then they paid for it. So did they pay to use the facilities and other benefits the University provided? Pretty simple question. Actually.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

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Limousines for the feet!

Edit: realizing many of you may be far too young to recall this ad campaign.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

No makes perfect sense. You said it wasn’t free. If it’s not free then they paid for it. So did they pay to use the facilities and other benefits the University provided? Pretty simple question. Actually.

The university CHOSE, via the coach, the athletes. They get the use of the equipment and the scholarship and the NIL and whatever else, as someone told you, because the school (and presumably you) want UT to field a competitive team and, eventually, make money.

Look, Josh Heupel makes $9M / year coaching a national profile SEC football team. It's pretty obvious that coaches making that kind of money aren't coaching "Billy from down the block, Jimmy from one street over, and Bubba if we can wake him up in time...."

It's a very competitive business. They recruit great athletes. Those athletes are worth, to the program, more than just a scholarship.

Would you expect Coach Heupel, at that salary, to only field a bunch of scholarship only athletes? Do you enjoy losing football teams?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

See what my response to first, before you put your 2 cents worth in the discussion. Since you brought up Mahomes. But maybe you don’t now how to go back a page or use a forum.

Maybe you don't understand simple comparisons or understand the differences between a salary and endorsement money.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

No makes perfect sense. You said it wasn’t free. If it’s not free then they paid for it. So did they pay to use the facilities and other benefits the University provided? Pretty simple question. Actually.

Tell me that you don't understand the difference in pay and labor.

The athletes pay for their scholarships with their labor. Duh. That makes it "not free".

Get a dictionary, and a calendar.

 

[Devo182]

Hopefully an advertising lease deal.

Would be good for both sides.


Pure cash - hope our players are being educated on investing!

 

[Devo182]

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For whom?


For the .1% that didn't have to worry and were locked in for NFL careers sure no worries...

The rest less so

 

[Devo182]

But it was OK when the coaches did it.

Never heard a damn peep about the coaches, ADs, and commishes...often older men...

But a young guy gets even a share of their market value and folks become anti-capitalists all a sudden.


Interesting Tells you all you need to know and it's sad, fragile jealousy.

 

[Devo182]

Yawn. Are we supposed to be impressed?

I'm thinking...happy. For our first 5* WR since...the Fulmer years? Or was CP a 5* transfer? Idk

 

[Devo182]

Players also lost the privilege to remain in college and play if officially caught taking money.

Or lose their Heisman...for life

Meanwhile coaches doing FAR WORSE get temporary show-causes

And tell me this shiz hasn't always been anti-student athlete.

 

[kell7517]

Tell me that you don't understand the difference in pay and labor.

The athletes pay for their scholarships with their labor. Duh. That makes it "not free".

Get a dictionary, and a calendar.

Is there a monetary agreement when the scholarship is signed? Absolutely!! Learn what’s being said instead of trying to act like you’re that intelligent because obviously you’re not.

 

[Devo182]

I'll always be a Vol fan, but man I'm so glad I grew up when players were our heroes and they loved the ONE school they played for.

That's right. Kids don't see current players as heroes... The sport was more enjoyable when we could know for sure most kids lived on scraps.

As a conservative member of SCOTUS noted, what a "perverse" thought process. And also a bit of myth ensured by NCAA trash bylaws...players COULDN'T transfer without the program's agreement. They were literally forced to stay, either literally or in their own minds given the strict rules.

Guess everyone goes to work every day happy in knowing they're never doing it for the money, but 100% out of loyalty, no matter how crappy the deal is.


Fwiw they were your "heroes" because you were a kid. And btw far more fans have professional heroes. Those DIRTY folks being paid their market value in cash for their services AND getting NIL deals. For shame!

Jmo but athletes have never been heroes (for solely what they do on the field/court). They're celebrities some choose to look up to, for better or worse. Take it with a grain of salt if you're over 18...

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Never heard a damn peep about the coaches, ADs, and commishes...often older men...

But a young guy gets even a share of their market value and folks become anti-capitalists all a sudden.


Interesting Tells you all you need to know and it's sad, fragile jealousy.

Hypocrites gonna hypocrite. But you know, maybe I'm not being fair about that. Capitalism at its core is truly for the well-off, not little people. Which is why unions were formed in the first place, and is the catalyst for the existence of rednecks.

Oh Hail!!!! I've done it now.

 

[kell7517]

Maybe you don't understand simple comparisons or understand the differences between a salary and endorsement money.

Scholarship is a salary and an endorsement. Pretty easy comparison. (Look it up, if you don’t understand) the kids sign a LOI and receive a years tuition for education,all extra benefits from the University. And they are endorsing the University with free gear and public services.

 

[Devo182]

Would the schools find any protection from being under the auspices of the NCAA?
Or would they be completely in collusion with the NCAA?

Considering the schools are the NCAA, as a group (if that's how it was legislated), I find it hard to see them separating the 2.

Could they prove the central office explicitly disobeyed and worked in spite of unis' decisions? Guess so.

Could individual unis prove they were not in agreement? Guess so.

But I'd love to see which schools ever said or acted in that way, up until maybe the past couple years when it became fashionable and a few realized the gig was up. But the vast majority have been complicit in this scheme for decades...maybe a century.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Is there a monetary agreement when the scholarship is signed? Absolutely!! Learn what’s being said instead of trying to act like you’re that intelligent because obviously you’re not.

Is that agreement paid for with below market value labor and lots of it? It absolutely is.

Stop pretending that you even know the definition of "labor" and "fair market value".