Wes Rucker on Bruce Pearl

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knowthevols said:
And Bozeman has no where near the coaching ability of Sampson or Pearl. These two are the only ones who would be receiving interest if you took all the show cause penalties away. Sampson may stay pro, but there will be interest. Pearl will have interest too. I just hope we don't let him get away to some other school.
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What are your thoughts on Floyd? Wasn't hit with a showcause, sits a year out and is hired into the c-USA and is still there 3 years later?

His resume is comparable to Pearls no?
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not a real good example as I was specifically talking about head coaches who had received show-causes. Only one head coach, Todd Bozeman, has received a show-cause penalty and been hired as a head coach again at another school.
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What difference does that make though...a show cause coach is a show cause coach.....the main reason none has been hired is besides Sampson they are bad coaches period.
 
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knowthevols said:
Floyd didn't do for us what Pearl did, or any other coach for that matter.
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Floyd didn't coach at Tennessee, so yea kind of an obvious answer.

Their resumes though are very comparable, and as I said he didn't even receive a show cause. Yet he took a year off, best job he could land was c-USA, and he's still stuck there.

I'll be surprised if any high major school takes a shot on Pearl next year.
 
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I'll admit that Sampson and Pearl are higher profile than Bozeman (or others). It remains to be seen what happens with both.

That is really only partially relevant to my original point, which was that any school that might hire them will do so with full knowledge of the history of either, and will not be given any benefit of the doubt from the NCAA if either coach slips up under their watch.

That will, and should, be heavily considered by any school that might hire either coach. Most top-50 schools can do better than take that risk IMO.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'll admit that Sampson and Pearl are higher profile than Bozeman (or others). It remains to be seen what happens with both.

That is really only partially relevant to my original point, which was that any school that might hire them will do so with full knowledge of the history of either, and will not be given any benefit of the doubt from the NCAA if either coach slips up under their watch.

That will, and should, be heavily considered by any school that might hire either coach. Most top-50 schools can do better than take that risk IMO.
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Have u seen the NCAA rulings, they make zero sense and I wouldn't be concerned with it at all. Just make sure our own compliance office is doing their job.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Floyd didn't coach at Tennessee, so yea kind of an obvious answer.

Their resumes though are very comparable, and as I said he didn't even receive a show cause. Yet he took a year off, best job he could land was c-USA, and he's still stuck there.

I'll be surprised if any high major school takes a shot on Pearl next year.
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He was hired by UTEP before the NCAA ever announced its ruling against him. Floyd chose UTEP instead of going to the pros bc he liked el palso where he coached at before. I'm sure if he wins there that he will have his choice of jobs.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He was hired by UTEP before the NCAA ever announced its ruling against him. Floyd chose UTEP instead of going to the pros bc he liked el palso where he coached at before. I'm sure if he wins there that he will have his choice of jobs.
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So other schools besides UTEP had offered?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'll admit that Sampson and Pearl are higher profile than Bozeman (or others). It remains to be seen what happens with both.

That is really only partially relevant to my original point, which was that any school that might hire them will do so with full knowledge of the history of either, and will not be given any benefit of the doubt from the NCAA if either coach slips up under their watch.

That will, and should, be heavily considered by any school that might hire either coach. Most top-50 schools can do better than take that risk IMO.
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Does the NCAA give anyone any benefit of the doubt? The real issue will be if the athletic director and school officials can be convinced that they can minimize that type of behavior and the coaches will be honest with them. There has to be a level of trust. The school will have to weigh that risk versus what they can bring to the table. Athletic directors are under a lot of pressure to elevate their basketball programs. As for why did Floyd land at UTEP. It was probably his way to get out of the limelight a little but still have a pretty good job. Not a lot of national press in El Paso.

P.S.-It can't be at a school that has a history of NCAA infractions but a school that has a squeaky clean image. I know this seems counter intuitive but they are under pressure to win too.
 
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Sandvol said:
Does the NCAA give anyone any benefit of the doubt? The real issue will be if the athletic director and school officials can be convinced that they can minimize that type of behavior and the coaches will be honest with them. There has to be a level of trust. The school will have to weigh that risk versus what they can bring to the table. Athletic directors are under a lot of pressure to elevate their basketball programs. As for why did Floyd land at UTEP. It was probably his way to get out of the limelight a little but still have a pretty good job. Not a lot of national press in El Paso.

P.S.-It can't be at a school that has a history of NCAA infractions but a school that has a squeaky clean image. I know this seems counter intuitive but they are under pressure to win too.
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The level of trust is really irrelevant. There is no gray area. It's black and white. Either a coach will toe the line, or he won't, and there's absolutely nothing an AD or school official can do to mitigate it, minimize it, or eliminate it. Hiring someone with a sketchy background makes you culpable as well if something happens again; this time on your watch.

The NCAA is erratic at best, as it relates to judging offending schools/coaches, but rest assured that a school that knowingly hires a sketchy coach won't be given an ounce of pity before the infractions committee. Ask Indiana.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The level of trust is really irrelevant. There is no gray area. It's black and white. Either a coach will toe the line, or he won't, and there's absolutely nothing an AD or school official can do to mitigate it, minimize it, or eliminate it. Hiring someone with a sketchy background makes you culpable as well if something happens again; this time on your watch.

The NCAA is erratic at best, as it relates to judging offending schools/coaches, but rest assured that a school that knowingly hires a sketchy coach won't be given an ounce of pity before the infractions committee. Ask Indiana.
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What did Indiana get? They only got probation and lost one scholarship.
 
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Indiana is no worse for the wear for hiring Sampson and now are even better off. I guess we can go back and forth all day about whether Pearl will get hired or not but the proof will be in the pudding.

P.S.-Indiana was put on probation for failure to monitor their program. It would be easy for a compliance office to monitor their coach. Indiana was somewhat naïve regarding Sampson. I don't think anyone would make that mistake with Pearl. They could have all these stipulations written in the contract and follow through with their part and make themselves immune to action.
 
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OT: If anybody interested in talking about JB Ramsey case I've rejuvenated old thread on Pub. This Christmas was 17th anniversary of her murder. Case has always intrigued.
 
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Sandvol said:
Indiana is no worse for the wear for hiring Sampson and now are even better off. I guess we can go back and forth all day about whether Pearl will get hired or not but the proof will be in the pudding.

P.S.-Indiana was put on probation for failure to monitor their program. It would be easy for a compliance office to monitor their coach. Indiana was somewhat naïve regarding Sampson. I don't think anyone would make that mistake with Pearl. They could have all these stipulations written in the contract and follow through with their part and make themselves immune to action.
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Sure they're better off now. He's not there anymore. All the monitoring in the world won't stop a coach from cheating if he wants to, and feels he needs to.
 
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VKAman said:
Floyd was very nearly hired by USC again. And considering the guy they ended up with, he should have been. He's not the guy you should be using to make your point.
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Never heard this. I heard he was reached out to, but never even close to being offered.

And so they took a flyer on a flavor of the week over a proven guy, who had proven he could win a that school...that perfectly proves my point.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Never heard this. I heard he was reached out to, but never even close to being offered.

And so they took a flyer on a flavor of the week over a proven guy, who had proven he could win a that school...that perfectly proves my point.
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Say what? He could have said anything and it would have "proven" your point
 
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volbeast33 said:
Say what? He could have said anything and it would have "proven" your point
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USC contacted Floyd. He was a former coach, who had great success at USC, similar to the success Pearl had at Tennessee. He got in trouble, left, and went to UTEP. USC elected not to hire the former coach, who had proven himself, and instead chose to go with the low major flavor of the week coach.

That's a great example for all those going on about hart will bring Pearl back, or that think he's gonna end up at some big time program. Floyd, who has just a good if not better resume, and received much less of a punishment from the NCAA, was passed up on for a guy from FGCU.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
USC contacted Floyd. He was a former coach, who had great success at USC, similar to the success Pearl had at Tennessee. He got in trouble, left, and went to UTEP. USC elected not to hire the former coach, who had proven himself, and instead chose to go with the low major flavor of the week coach.

That's a great example for all those going on about hart will bring Pearl back, or that think he's gonna end up at some big time program. Floyd, who has just a good if not better resume, and received much less of a punishment from the NCAA, was passed up on for a guy from FGCU.
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And half of your story is made up.....Floyd said he went to UTEP bc he didn't feel supported at USC like he does at UTEP....Floyd may have told them to shove it
 
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