Weve sucked at home for a while

[WA_Vol]

I HATE UGA; EVERYTHING about them actually, but Athens is one of the best Gameday Atmosphere's in COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

But I guess going to all those Oklahoma and Miami games, you haven't noticed.

I thought you had blocked most of the UGA games permanently out of your memory, maybe its just selective memory.

 

[OrangeSquare]

OK, Spurrier knew he was leaving for the NFL. He wanted to leave his strategically challenged counterpart a gift before he parted.

ROFLMAO

That is so weak.

 

[hatvol96]

Not been in 10 years and you want to Judge it? Sounds like the way that you analize Tennessee Football.

You're the one obsessed with going back in time to find something to support TCHFCATUTK, not me.

 

[OrangeSquare]

I thought you had blocked most of the UGA games permanently out of your memory, maybe its just selective memory.

Nope, I'm 2-1 in Athens. I'm all about Road Trips to Athens.

 

[hatvol96]

ROFLMAO

That is so weak.

A silly question begs a ridiculous response.

 

[VolinArizona]

I consider myself a decent middle ground voice of reason.

You both are being extremely obnoxious. Seriously. I actually like and respect you two the most around here (typically) because you are strong people.

However, this thread is showcasing the worst in your online personas.

Some thoughts:

Fulmer's winning percentage over the course of his career is nice when looking at his body of work, which has been very good. However, when examining if someone is correct for a job TODAY, you must look at more recent outcomes.

The win over Florida in 2001 can be attributed to a few things: Travis Stephens, the weird defensive scheme, and coaching (all of them).

Fulmer's weight has zero to do with his ability to be a football coach. Please stop with things like that. Why? A) It's rude B) It makes anyone who says it look foolish

Lastly, vibrant discussions CAN remain civil, and can be done without insults. We're all very passionate around here and are strong in our convictions. However, when you get flat out disrespectful (I don't mean in a joking way, which can be really fun ), it ruins the fun.

I am also not the end all opinion, as I'm sure everyone knows. Just trying to help.

 

[jakez4ut]

Since Spurrier owns him, then why did he not win the 2001 game. That was the most meaningful game that either of them coached against each other. The game in September never really decides the East division because it is so early in the season. But the 2001 game was for all the marbles since it was in December. I wonder why a coach would not choose to win this game if he owns the other coach.

i would disagree with this hole heartidly...in the 90's the UF/TN game was always huge, and if you don't know that, i can't help.

the 2001 game was as huge....but as to owning CPF, he did. and he has 6 SEC titles to prove it.

this debate is very meaniningless, and when people come out and say things like this, this is the blind loyalty that Hat and others speak of.....i'm as loyal as the next guy, but i have no reasonable argument to say that Spurrier didn't own CPF, depsite the 01 game.

the only SEC title we won where we even beat FLorida was the 98 season. in 97 UF lost more games than we did, but still beat us....i won't say we backed in to the title, but even at our best, UF still had his number.

 

[OrangeSquare]

I agree with you Arizona.

As for me using Phil's Winning Percentage, I do it because they hate it. A coach "as bad" as Fulmer couldn't possibly be dominating all other coaches in the profession could he? Oh wait, yup, in what matters, which is WINNING GAMES, he does.

I know last season wasn't good, but like someone said earlier today, to throw out two ten win seasons the last few seasons and say Tennessee is all doom and gloom, is just silly.

 

[hatvol96]

I agree with you Arizona.

As for me using Phil's Winning Percentage, I do it because they hate it. A coach "as bad" as Fulmer couldn't possibly be dominating all other coaches in the profession could he? Oh wait, yup, in what matters, which is WINNING GAMES, he does.

I know last season wasn't good, but like someone said earlier today, to throw out two ten win seasons the last few seasons and say Tennessee is all doom and gloom, is just silly.

Yeah, his career winning percentage against Spurrier is the very definition of dominance.

 

[VolinArizona]

I agree with you Arizona.

As for me using Phil's Winning Percentage, I do it because they hate it. A coach "as bad" as Fulmer couldn't possibly be dominating all other coaches in the profession could he? Oh wait, yup, in what matters, which is WINNING GAMES, he does.

I know last season wasn't good, but like someone said earlier today, to throw out two ten win seasons the last few seasons and say Tennessee is all doom and gloom, is just silly.

I can understand that.

Again, I feel in the middle.

Two ten win seasons is very good, productive, and promising. However, a 5-6 season after those is disconcerning.

I don't agree with those who think CPF should be fired today. I wrap all of your ideas with theirs. I feel his productive career merits a 2006 campaign to really gauge where we're going. If 2006 is not a vast improvement, I will feel change should be made.

Basically, I think we all need to come to terms that regardless of all our opinions, 2006 is the only way to find out the true destination of the program with CPF at the helm.

But that doesn't make for exciting message board arguments.

 

[OrangeSquare]

I can understand that.

Again, I feel in the middle.

Two ten win seasons is very good, productive, and promising. However, a 5-6 season after those is disconcerning.

I don't agree with those who think CPF should be fired today. I wrap all of your ideas with theirs. I feel his productive career merits a 2006 campaign to really gauge where we're going. If 2006 is not a vast improvement, I will feel change should be made.

Basically, I think we all need to come to terms that regardless of all our opinions, 2006 is the only way to find out the true destination of the program with CPF at the helm.

But that doesn't make for exciting message board arguments.

If Tennessee goes worse than 7-5, I will even agree it's time for a change.

These NegaVols think that I want Fulmer to be there for the next 50 years and that I'm never disapointed when Tennessee loses. The TRUTH is, I am just not disrespectful to Fulmer, the players, or the fans that support them. I think Phil is the right coach for Tennessee in spite of last season, but yes, if he doesn't get better results with the changes he has made, he will need to let someone else try it. I'm just not gonna kick him in the ass and call him names on the way out.

 

[VolinArizona]

If Tennessee goes worse than 7-5, I will even agree it's time for a change.

These NegaVols think that I want Fulmer to be there for the next 50 years and that I'm never disapointed when Tennessee loses. The TRUTH is, I am just not disrespectful to Fulmer, the players, or the fans that support them. I think Phil is the right coach for Tennessee in spite of last season, but yes, if he doesn't get better results with the changes he has made, he will need to let someone else try it. I'm just not gonna kick him in the ass and call him names on the way out.

Sadly, 7-5 for me won't fly.

I expect 9 wins minimum this season. We have a more favorable road schedule than recent memory.

 

[allvol123]

A silly question begs a ridiculous response.

You consider the question silly, because you cannot come up with an adequate answer.

 

[kptvol]

Yeah, his career winning percentage against Spurrier is the very definition of dominance.

True. I can't believe people are getting on you about your claim that Spurrier owned Fulmer. Every Vol fan knew this back in the day when Spurrier was at UF. I mean he straight embarrassed UT many a time. Fulmer managed to win a couple, but they were all very close. I think he also may have won by a big margin a couple of times when Spurrier first got to Florida and had to build the program. Also don't forget, Spurrier beat UT (twice I think) while he was head coach at DUKE. Note: He was not the head basketball coach.

Also, I'm pretty sure Spurrier managed to topple the mighty UGA bulldogs in '01. Mark Richt also owns Fulmer by the way.

 

[GAVol]

Spurrier beat us once at Duke during that debacle of an 0-6 start in 1988. Spurrier owned CPF for a 5 year period from '93-'97. Before and after that, it has been pretty much even including a win in 1992 that wasn't particlarly close. As far as dismissing the wins against Spurrier in the mid 90's because he was building a program . . . the program was pretty much built. Those were top 10 teams.

 

[GAVol]

That being said. I can't think of anybody else that has beaten UT at 3 different schools. :shakehead:

 

[kptvol]

That being said. I can't think of anybody else that has beaten UT at 3 different schools. :shakehead:

Sounds as if he.... owns...us?

 

[GAVol]

Sounds as if he.... owns...us?

I think he has maybe "leased" us at times, but if he sticks around a few more years, with some luck we'll end up around .500 against him.

 

[jakez4ut]

Spurrier beat us once at Duke during that debacle of an 0-6 start in 1988. Spurrier owned CPF for a 5 year period from '93-'97. Before and after that, it has been pretty much even including a win in 1992 that wasn't particlarly close. As far as dismissing the wins against Spurrier in the mid 90's because he was building a program . . . the program was pretty much built. Those were top 10 teams.

That being said. I can't think of anybody else that has beaten UT at 3 different schools. :shakehead:

well done gavol.

 

[jakez4ut]

I can understand that.

Again, I feel in the middle.

Two ten win seasons is very good, productive, and promising. However, a 5-6 season after those is disconcerning.

I don't agree with those who think CPF should be fired today. I wrap all of your ideas with theirs. I feel his productive career merits a 2006 campaign to really gauge where we're going. If 2006 is not a vast improvement, I will feel change should be made.

Basically, I think we all need to come to terms that regardless of all our opinions, 2006 is the only way to find out the true destination of the program with CPF at the helm.

But that doesn't make for exciting message board arguments.

this is a pretty rational way of looking at things, and i would think that most fans are in the middle on this issue....

the problem is that there has been a noticeable decline in performance since 2001, records not withstanding. Everyone has seen it. Every one noticed it. From the piss poor duke, vandy, UAB and rutgers outings, to the peach bowl and cotton bowl debacles, not to mention the sudden dominance of UGA over UT, the evidence has been mounting.

the reasons for the decline are debatable, most are accurate regardless of what side you take.

there are so many reasons, in fact, for our recent decline, that it makes it impossible to rationally argue either side so whole heartidly with any effectiveness. Competition has gotten much better for one. Players haven't executed. Coaches haven't coached. Players have made poor decisions off the feild. Coaches have made poor decisions on how to handle those off the feild issues. Offensive philosphy is not executed correctly and it's stale to boot. players have been injured. recruits have been lost, and recruits have not panned out. top notch recruits, of late, have by passed TN.

all of this is true. all of it is part of the reason we are not good right now. All of it or none of it can be blamed squarely on CPF. It all depends on how YOU want to look at it, and either way you look at it, YOU are justified in some way for looking at that way. So i've gotten over the whole argument over CPF. truth is a large part of does in fact fall squarely on his shoulders. But it's not all on him either.

firing him won't automatically solve all of those issues immediately. Not firing him, on the same token, won't auomatically fix those issues immediately.

there are no guarantees. here's what i know for sure:
1. CPF's winning % over his career has absolutely nothing to do with the CURRENT status of the program. But his winning % over his career has set a precedent that can't be ignored either when discussing his opportunity to fix his own problem.
2. 1998 is long gone. AS great as it was, it too has nothing to do with the current status of the program. it does though show that he is capable of putting together a staff and team capable of winning big. Again, another reason to not have an itchy trigger finger.
3. However 5, 6, 7, and 8 win seasons are not good enough when the bar CPF has set for himself is 10 win seasons and being in true contention for the SEC title on some sort of regular basis. until the last 4 years, 8 win or less seasons were the exception, not the rule.
4. If CPF can't prove that he is still capable of somewhat regularly competing and winning SEC titles, then the program has declined to a point that it is time to bring someone else in. We haven't reached that point, but we aren't too far away from it either. Being only two years reomoved from actually competing for an SEC title, i'd say it's still too soon to say that he's not capable. 06 and 07 (yes i do think he has at least 2 more years for sure) are extremely important for CPF, and will go a long way to prove or disprove whether or not he can in fact coach. And as much as i hate to say it, 7 or 8 win seasons the next two years won't cut it either. He cannot afford to continue to lose to his current contemporaries either.

8 win seasons are a lot easier to take, and should be considered when evaluating his performance, when you are at least beating UGA, UF, or Bama regularly. 7-8 win seasons with losses to those three are not accpetable. And of late, we have not been capable of doing so regularly. he lost to ron zook his first time out. He's lost to Mark Richt, keeps losing to Spurrier, and lost to Meyer on his first time out. That can't continue. he doesn't have, nor can he, win the all, but he can't have losing records to all of them....

Bottom line is, the next two years are very important to the legacy CPF leaves at UT. he's got a great one now, but it could be remembered as going out with a sputter, not a bang, if it doesn't get fixed quick.

sorry for the sermon.

 

[Lexvol]

Fulmer's weight has zero to do with his ability to be a football coach. Please stop with things like that. Why? A) It's rude B) It makes anyone who says it look foolish

While making fun of CPF's weight is not my favorite passtime, I disagree with you to a point. There comes a time when you have to model discipline to create discipline. I understand that CPF's playing days have passed him by, but would it hurt him to get on a weight room treadmill with the players once a day? Some of us believe he has gotten extremely lazy running this football team see his weight as a manifestation of a persistent laissez faire attitude toward the program.

 

[OrangeSquare]

While making fun of CPF's weight is not my favorite passtime, I disagree with you to a point. There comes a time when you have to model discipline to create discipline. I understand that CPF's playing days have passed him by, but would it hurt him to get on a weight room treadmill with the players once a day? Some of us believe he has gotten extremely lazy running this football team see his weight as a manifestation of a persistent laissez faire attitude toward the program.

You pretend to know so much "inside" info, yet you don't even know what's reported to the general public. In the spring it was widely reported that Phil had been getting up early and running with Coach Bruce Pearl. It's amazing to me how you Nega Vols pick and choose what you want to remember. You require Phil to do things, such as try to lose weight, and when he drops 40 lbs, he isn't disciplined enough and needs to quit being lazy.

Give me a break. Your point would make sense if he had recently gained 40 lbs.

 

[bigdaddy]

Sadly, 7-5 for me won't fly.

I expect 9 wins minimum this season. We have a more favorable road schedule than recent memory.

Wow 9 wins is huge in my book. If we win 9 we could be playing for and SEC champ. That would definately keep CPF around. I was thinking 7 and he is still on the hot seat. I hope to be eating my words come December. Love the avatar by the way. Nine times......Bueler....Beuler...

 

[allvol123]

i would disagree with this hole heartidly...in the 90's the UF/TN game was always huge, and if you don't know that, i can't help.

the 2001 game was as huge....but as to owning CPF, he did. and he has 6 SEC titles to prove it.

this debate is very meaniningless, and when people come out and say things like this, this is the blind loyalty that Hat and others speak of.....i'm as loyal as the next guy, but i have no reasonable argument to say that Spurrier didn't own CPF, depsite the 01 game.

the only SEC title we won where we even beat FLorida was the 98 season. in 97 UF lost more games than we did, but still beat us....i won't say we backed in to the title, but even at our best, UF still had his number.

you are somewhat wrong on your first point. of course the game was huge in the 90's, but it was always so early, that there was too many games left in the season to say that it decided anything concerning the east champion. My point is that the 2001 game, was the last game of the season, there were no other issues as to who the east winner would be, win that day and you win the east. So in that regards it was the most meaningful game the 2 ever coached against each other. So if Spurrier owned him, you think he could have won the biggest game they ever coached against each other at his home field. No loss by either team in September ever cost them the east, it may have taken them out of the drivers seat, but it did not determine anything as the game in 2001 did. If you can't understand that fact, then I can't help you.

 

[WA_Vol]

You pretend to know so much "inside" info, yet you don't even know what's reported to the general public. In the spring it was widely reported that Phil had been getting up early and running with Coach Bruce Pearl. It's amazing to me how you Nega Vols pick and choose what you want to remember. You require Phil to do things, such as try to lose weight, and when he drops 40 lbs, he isn't disciplined enough and needs to quit being lazy.

Give me a break. Your point would make sense if he had recently gained 40 lbs.

You use that term "running" quite loosely.