What’s the likelihood that we see civil unrest soon?

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I see what both you are saying @utvolpj and @1vol8

Desantis is responding to an infringement on personal liberty while infringing on private business to protect it.

Biden is infringing on both.

I think we need to focus more on why that response is even necessary rather than the response. He wouldn't have done it without the federal infringements.
 
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1vol8 said:
OK. I can respect that point of view Because that’s correct. But I don’t look at it the same way because DeSantis is putting the power back into the individual to choose for themselves
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No he took the power away just like Biden did.
 
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utvols88 said:
I see what both you are saying @utvolpj and @1vol8

Desantis is responding to an infringement on personal liberty while infringing on private business to protect it.

Biden is infringing on both.

I think we need to focus more on why that response is even necessary rather than the response. He wouldn't have done it without the federal infringements.
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Infringements are infringements. Both are equally wrong. DeSantis should have just announced the Biden mandate was unenforceable in FL.
 
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utvolpj said:
They did. They elected local leaders and those are being overridden by the governor. Same with school districts. He's also dictating to business owners how they can run their operations. This is a massive overreach
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I still say the massive overreach is Biden forcing mandates on the individuals. DeSantis is putting the power back into the individuals hands to choose for themselves. I understand your point but I seeWhy DeSantis did what he did
 
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1vol8 said:
I still say the massive overreach is Biden forcing mandates on the individuals. DeSantis is putting the power back into the individuals hands to choose for themselves. I understand your point but I seeWhy DeSantis did what he did
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Are business owners not people and deserve the same right to make decisions?
 
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utvols88 said:
I see what both you are saying @utvolpj and @1vol8

Desantis is responding to an infringement on personal liberty while infringing on private business to protect it.

Biden is infringing on both.

I think we need to focus more on why that response is even necessary rather than the response. He wouldn't have done it without the federal infringements.
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Thank you. That’s all I’m trying to say
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Why did they follow orders to stand down while cities were burnt and citizens beaten?

Why did they follow orders to enforce an unconstitutional shut down of businesses?

Why did they follow orders to enforce an unconstitutional mask mandate?

If the orders come to go door to door to jab citizens or take guns then they will follow those orders.
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1) most of those cases were directed by their superiors who either were following direct orders from the mayor (politically) or that they were so outnumbered it made no sense to engage (tactically). In several cities, people were arrested by police.
2) the city councils who passed stupid shutdowns were the ones to blame. Officers except for in places like NYC and LA had little interaction in this area
3) what are you talking about mask mandate? People were arrested for trespassing and causing disturbances on others properties not wearing masks
 
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1vol8 said:
I still say the massive overreach is Biden forcing mandates on the individuals. DeSantis is putting the power back into the individuals hands to choose for themselves. I understand your point but I seeWhy DeSantis did what he did
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But why did he do it prior to the Biden mandates?
 
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1vol8 said:
OK. I can respect that point of view Because that’s correct. But I don’t look at it the same way because DeSantis is putting the power back into the individual to choose for themselves
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I think it's the nuance of Desantis having an idea to counter the mandate but choosing the wrong means of doing so.

Right now it's little more than the businesses facing a choice of following a Fed mandate vs facing a punitive State mandate. That's not freedom.

Now if Desantis stepped back and said "this Fed mandate is declared void in the state of FL" then that would maintaining the freedom of the employers.
 
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Weezer said:
Is this civil unrest gonna happen before Christmas? I was just thinking I could save money on presents this year if I just picked the stuff up while looting. Potentially best Christmas ever.
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Looting is an offensive term, so we're now referring to it as thrifty shopping. Zero out of pocket expense and no credit card debt. Solid plan.
 
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hndog609 said:
I think it's the nuance of Desantis having an idea to counter the mandate but choosing the wrong means of doing so.

Right now it's little more than the businesses facing a choice of following a Fed mandate vs facing a punitive State mandate. That's not freedom.

Now if Desantis stepped back and said "this Fed mandate is declared void in the state of FL" then that would maintaining the freedom of the employers.
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Businesses don't just exist in Florida. Other states not offering that counter may result in individual Floridians still being forced by a federal mandate. I'm not sure there is an immediate method to counter Biden. It has to be done through courts and I think it'll get shot down as will Desantis. If I'm Desantis, that wouldn't bother me. Create a stagnant situation until the courts figure it out. I'm just saying I see both sides.
 
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hndog609 said:
I think it's the nuance of Desantis having an idea to counter the mandate but choosing the wrong means of doing so.

Right now it's little more than the businesses facing a choice of following a Fed mandate vs facing a punitive State mandate. That's not freedom.

Now if Desantis stepped back and said "this Fed mandate is declared void in the state of FL" then that would maintaining the freedom of the employers.
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I’ll look at it like this. If you worked for me and I looked at you and said you have to take the vaccine or lose your job I am wrong. I’m wrong because I’m telling you you have to take a shot. What’s to stop me from taking it further in the future and start giving you mandatory speed or LSD to get more production out of you?What you do with your body should be up to you and you alone.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ll look at it like this. If you worked for me and I looked at you and said you have to take the vaccine or lose your job I am wrong. I’m wrong because I’m telling you you have to take a shot. What’s to stop me from taking it further in the future and start giving you mandatory speed or LSD to get more production out of you?What you do with your body should be up to you and you alone.
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If you don't want the vax just walk out the door. The individual still had the choice

Comparing it with forcing illegal drugs is nonsense
 
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utvolpj said:
If you don't want the vax just walk out the door. The individual still had the choice

Comparing it with forcing illegal drugs is nonsense
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I understand that comparing it to illegal drugs is an exaggerated comparison but that’s the way I see it. But if you don’t want the vaccine it’s not As simple as just walking out the door when it’s your only means of feeding your family. Under Biden plan you can’t even go out and get another job because you have to take the vaccine anyway.So your choices are take something you don’t believe in or starve
 
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1vol8 said:
I understand that comparing it to illegal drugs is an exaggerated comparison but that’s the way I see it. But if you don’t want the vaccine it’s not As simple as just walking out the door when it’s your only means of feeding your family. Under Biden plan you can’t even go out and get another job because you have to take the vaccine anyway.So your choices are take something you don’t believe in or starve
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Have you even looked at the current job market? A person could pick up 3 jobs on the drive home
 
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utvolpj said:
Have you even looked at the current job market? A person could pick up 3 jobs on the drive home
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Which wouldn’t be the case if Biden wasn’t giving away free money. People done went and got a case of a slack ass
 
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1vol8 said:
Which wouldn’t be the case if Biden wasn’t giving away free money. People done went and got a case of a slack ass
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Not everything is on Biden. I know jobs in my profession are not affected by free money and they are plentiful
 
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utvolpj said:
Not everything is on Biden. I know jobs in my profession are not affected by free money and they are plentiful
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That may be true for you. But that doesn’t mean that Biden didn’t cause massive job loss. In the wake of that he started giving free money. Now all those jobs are Now available again and no one wants To work. It’s actually comical to see Him take credit for the jobs that are now available as if they are jobs created when in fact they originated as jobs lost because of him to begin with
 
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