What’s the likelihood that we see civil unrest soon?

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whodeycin85 said:
A mask can trigger an asthema attack and has. If because of that the employee misses work or become hospitalized they should be liable for forcing mask to be worn....yes but there are workman comp limits....it usually covers cost of hospital..so once recovered then what? Comply again or be fired....companies that enforce rules and that rules harms a persons lively hood are liable except for masks and vax..
Again if companies were liable a vax mandate wouldn't be a thought..no company would risk a multi million or more suit if the vax killed a worker or made the disabled for life...
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As someone who works in finance for a commercial carrier, I don't think requiring a vaccine should be WC. The company should be held liable for it but not via WC.

That's my opinion on what it should be. Not what it is. I'd have to ask claims that question.
 
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utvols88 said:
As someone who works in finance for a commercial carrier, I don't think requiring a vaccine should be WC. The company should be held liable for it but not via WC.

That's my opinion on what it should be. Not what it is. I'd have to ask claims that question.
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Should a company be held liable for an employee getting hurt on the way to work? They are requiring attendance as a condition of employment.
 
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utvols88 said:
As someone who works in finance for a commercial carrier, I don't think requiring a vaccine should be WC. The company should be held liable for it but not via WC.
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I belive that as well but that will always be a companies 1st action...what would happen is WC cost would rise exponentially and or claims would be declined thereforce screwing over the employee as it sit rights now....along the same spectrum more people would vax if companies were liable
 
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hog88 said:
Should a company be held liable for an employee getting hurt on the way to work? They are requiring attendance as a condition of employment.
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No and they aren't. You aren't on the clock. An accident in commute isn't covered by WC.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
A mask can trigger an asthema attack and has. If because of that the employee misses work or become hospitalized they should be liable for forcing mask to be worn....yes but there are workman comp limits....it usually covers cost of hospital..so once recovered then what? Comply again or be fired....companies that enforce rules and that rules harms a persons lively hood are liable except for masks and vax..
Again if companies were liable a vax mandate wouldn't be a thought..no company would risk a multi million or more suit if the vax killed a worker or made the disabled for life...
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Then if the employee didn't like the rules put in place by the employer they can quit. Really no different than someone who doesn't want to wear other clothing required for the job
 
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utvolpj said:
Then if the employee didn't like the rules put in place by the employer they can quit. Really no different than someone who doesn't want to wear other clothing required for the job
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They could yes.....but if say it was an employee there for 14 years and 15 it needed for retirement benefits...a mask rule is installed...they now have to risk there lively hood, or health...seems unfair and would result in a lawsuit..of employee feels he waa forced to quit...its more nuances, as each situation would be different..but liablity for adverese effects from vax or mask would protect employee if they can prove it.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
They could yes.....but if say it was an employee there for 14 years and 15 it needed for retirement benefits...a mask rule is installed...they now have to risk there lively hood, or health...seems unfair and would result in a lawsuit..of employee feels he waa forced to quit...its more nuances, as each situation would be different..but liablity for adverese effects from vax or mask would protect employee if they can prove it.
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It boils down to this. Nobody has a right to a job.
 
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hog88 said:
I know this and the same goes for the vaccine.
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I don't think the vaccine should be WC. It should be on the employer on their own. If you forced it to keep employment, That's on you. It's why many didn't require it. A mandate puts the blame on the feds instead. Takes liability away. There really isn't a precedent for it because the requirement is outside premises and isn't indirect like an accident during a commute, which is entirely independent of the business itself.
 
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hog88 said:
It boils down to this. Nobody has a right to a job.
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And you don't have a right to insert yourself into their health. Your take boils down to being able to avoid any liability for decisions about others health. You want to ban outside food or drink in the plant and offer water fountains with lead in the water without any liability.

At the very least, when they quit, it's attached on your unemployment. Good?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
They could yes.....but if say it was an employee there for 14 years and 15 it needed for retirement benefits...a mask rule is installed...they now have to risk there lively hood, or health...seems unfair and would result in a lawsuit..of employee feels he waa forced to quit...its more nuances, as each situation would be different..but liablity for adverese effects from vax or mask would protect employee if they can prove it.
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That's a choice they have to make. I come across good jobs in my industry paying more but I have to figure out for myself if the move would be worth it. Individuals still have a choice
 
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luthervol said:
The right wing media and Trump will continue to do all they can to stoke the fires. Their quest for power and control was always built on the foundation of hatred and division.
It's the Bannon / Stone way.
They understood a segment of society far better than most realized.
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Let's face it. Scratch your average Trump enthusiast, and he bleeds Nazi. Whether leading or following, they are similar to the people in Germany who ended up murdering everyone who dared to speak against Hitler.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
enforcing vax is similar (using driving work) as an emoyees forcing you to take a specific route everyday to work...its reaching into your off time rights and freedoms
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It in no way infringes on your rights or freedoms when done by an employer. It's a choice like allowing visible tattoos or facial hair
 
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utvolpj said:
That's a choice they have to make. I come across good jobs in my industry paying more but I have to figure out for myself if the move would be worth it. Individuals still have a choice
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They do, but if an employee is more susceptible to being hurt from a rule change they can sue the company for damages of having to quit ie..making the company liable...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
They do, but if an employee is more susceptible to being hurt from a rule change they can sue the company for damages of having to quit ie..making the company liable...
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That's dumb. Just quit and get a new job. No one is hurt
 
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utvolpj said:
It in no way infringes on your rights or freedoms when done by an employer. It's a choice like allowing visible tattoos or facial hair
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Yes and companies who have enforced tattoo rules have been sued and lost....because tattoos that have to bearing on the employees ability to work. Unless derogatory...most ask they be covered. What reasonable accomedation does a company have to thise that cant vax?
 
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utvolpj said:
It is if you're talking about the off time rights and freedoms nonsense
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Should an employer be able to require you to get a sex change in order to work for them? That's a more related comparison as both deal with medical choices.
 
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