What’s the likelihood that we see civil unrest soon?

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luthervol said:
Not taking the vaccine hurts the economy.

Maybe that's the angle the anti-vaxers need.

Fine, don't take it, but make sure you understand that it's that mentality that is stifling the economy and delaying the recovery.

After all, there are some that can only see through the prism of a $.
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It’s not accurate to label someone who objects to the vaccine within some demographics an anti Vaxer. Someone my age that doesn’t smoke exercises often and with optimal cardiovascular health is probably more at risk to have a serious adverse reaction from being vaccinated than to die of Covid. Excessive regulation, taxation and reckless monetary policy will and is currently hurting the economy. I don’t see any of that changing anytime soon.
 
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C-south said:
You’re not going to stifle the economy unless you’re a dim that shuts everything down. Of course they will have to leave certain things open for them to utilize.
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Sure thing. Have you been awake the past 20 months?
 
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lukeneyland said:
It’s not accurate to label someone who objects to the vaccine within some demographics an anti Vaxer. Someone my age that doesn’t smoke exercises often and with optimal cardiovascular health is probably more at risk to have a serious adverse reaction from being vaccinated than to die of Covid. Excessive regulation, taxation and reckless monetary policy will and is currently hurting the economy. I don’t see any of that changing anytime soon.
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True - and I'm speaking to anti-vaxers.
 
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C-south said:
Almost everyone I know, including family, has had it. The masks definitely don’t work.
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Who's talking about masks? I'm talking about vaccines.

I'm all for your right to choose and do not support a vaccination requirement, but not choosing to be vaccinated is dumb and subject to my ridicule. Especially when the rationale is filled with personal anecdotes and false dichotomies. We all win when there is less people dying, less serious illness which results in stability in financial, housing, manufacturing and other markets. You toss around a 1% mortality rate like that's the only thing that should matter, there's far more to it than that but you'll need to think bigger to reconcile it.
 
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Concerned about the economy...an unprecedented laff of the day

Pay people to stay home and not one iota of concern about inflation so let’s print and tax

With real GDP adjusted for say an 8% annual inflation rate we are in a recession
 
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hog88 said:
Our response to Covid has hurt the economy.
The impact lessens when we get that damn government out of the way.
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Wonder which will happen first? Increased vaccination % or getting government out of the way? That's a tuff one.
 
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lukeneyland said:
They aren’t 100 percent safe. They do occasionally crash. That’s exactly what we do, we all accept risks to different degrees
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Agreed. But there are multiple orders of magnitude between .99 (the number I keep seeing for covid) and .999999 (a number I keep seeing for the vaccine). I will gladly get on a flight with a .999999 safely record but you could not force me into a .99 flight.
 
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Septic said:
Who's talking about masks? I'm talking about vaccines.

I'm all for your right to choose and do not support a vaccination requirement, but not choosing to be vaccinated is dumb and subject to my ridicule. Especially when the rationale is filled with personal anecdotes and false dichotomies. We all win when there is less people dying, less serious illness which results in stability in financial, housing, manufacturing and other markets. You toss around a 1% mortality rate like that's the only thing that should matter, there's far more to it than that but you'll need to think bigger to reconcile it.
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It might be dumb to not get it if you’re at risk. If you’ve already had Covid or have no health issues it’s moot.
 
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C-south said:
We know who that one percent primarily consists of. Old, elderly, sick, immune compromised individuals. They should get the vaccine, isolate, wear masks, or whatever they feel they need to do to stay safe.
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Cognitive Dissonance is built around the ability to compartmentalize risk onto other groups than ourselves. So you are saying that ONLY sick, elderly, immune compromised individuals die of covid? Great. Then I will give you one in a thousand odds for your particular case instead of 1 in 100. You ready to spin the barrel on THAT game of Russo Roulette? Have at it then! I sincerely wish you the best of luck
 
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hog88 said:
yes, the PEOPLE that own businesses. Normal everyday working people are being denied the freedom to make decisions by DeSantis.
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The amount of people owning businesses are far less than the employees that comprise a work force. Probably around 50/1. But what you’re failing to realize is a business doesn’t have the same rights as an individual. Biden took away the freedom of choice from the individual. Desantis restored it in Florida. He basically said you can’t enforce mandates any more than you can discriminate as a business. I think the only thing we really disagree on is you can’t seem to wrap your head around the difference between individual and business owner.
 
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C-south said:
It might be dumb to not get it if you’re at risk. If you’ve already had Covid or have no health issues it’s moot.
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It's not though. I've spelled out why and you aren't addressing that - in one ear and out the other with you.

Apparently it's all about you and the 1% death rate. Since you weren't vaccinated and didn't die, not your problem. That's a myopic position to have given all of the other things that this pandemic has touched since it kicked off.

I get it though, some people just aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Cognitive Dissonance is built around the ability to compartmentalize risk onto other groups than ourselves. So you are saying that ONLY sick, elderly, immune compromised individuals die of covid? Great. Then I will give you one in a thousand odds for your particular case instead of 1 in 100. You ready to spin the barrel on THAT game of Russo Roulette? Have at it then! I sincerely wish you the best of luck
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I already have.
 
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1vol8 said:
The amount of people owning businesses are far less than the employees that comprise a work force. Probably around 50/1. But what you’re failing to realize is a business doesn’t have the same rights as an individual. Biden took away the freedom of choice from the individual. Desantis restored it in Florida. He basically said you can’t enforce mandates any more than you can discriminate as a business. I think the only thing we really disagree on is you can’t seem to wrap your head around the difference between individual and business owner.
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This right here demonstrates that you are not a conservative. If you were you would defend the rights of all people and not support the stripping of rights of the few in favor of the majority. Tell us how this is any different than Luther's "society decides" argument?
 
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hog88 said:
You never give in to the boot on your neck.
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But you still have a job and try to take care of your family, right?
But I agree, I refused to ever give in to the Trumpian boot on my (and America's) neck.....and never will.
I made that promise.
 
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Septic said:
It's not though. I've spelled out why and you aren't addressing that - in one ear and out the other with you.

Apparently it's all about you and the 1% death rate. Since you weren't vaccinated and didn't die, not your problem. That's a myopic position to have given all of the other things that this pandemic has touched since it kicked off.

I get it though, some people just aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture.
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Call it whatever you want but I don’t need to be vaccinated and I won’t be. Around 15% of the population has had it and over 70% have been vaccinated yet cases are worse now than ever. Sounds like those at risk need to do more to take care of themselves.
 
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