What did Dooley do for three years?

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sjt18 said:
Is this really necessary? How long before we've beaten this horse into dust?

Dooley recruited most of the talent that takes the field now. Yes. He left big holes. Yes the team is critically thin in places. He quit on his last recruiting class long before he was fired and that's probably the BIGGEST problem right now.

He didn't cause Gordon to quit.... who would have been a pretty nice guy to have around on this team at nickel. He didn't cause Bray, Hunter, or CP to go pro early. The latter two especially would be pretty valuable right now. He didn't cause DR to get stupid... at least not directly.

What did he do? He came in with enthusiasm. He had a decent first year with both play and recruiting. He got overwhelmed by the situation. He lost control of guys like Bray. He lost hope. He became negative. He became ineffective. He became bitter. He stopped working and withdrew into a shell... then he got fired.


Is this really something we have to relive in a new thread every week? He's gone. His career as far as being a HC is all but certainly over.... and he could have made more money as a lawyer as an assistant coach.

At some point, you need to let go of the contempt and just pity the guy for failing... unless of course you really do believe he did it on purpose. In that case... you need some help.
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Sounds like someone needs to let go of their crush on Dooley to me.
 
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TGVol said:
Wait for what? Hunter and CP (Dooley's receivers) are doing perfectly fine so far in the NFL (can add M Rivera to that list as well). Dooley can be criticized for a lot of things but coaching offense and recruiting good receivers is the last thing you can criticize him for (unlike the new staff which does not have a clue on how to use offensive talent they inherited - our o-line was not recruited for spread). And if you can remember 2 years ago Dooley's receivers Hunter and D Rogers thrashed CBJ and our current best in America staff.
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lulz
 
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Lexvol said:
You saw the thread title, if you don't want to discuss it....

I certainly don't need anyone telling me what is appropriate for me to discuss or not to discuss on a message board. I think it is a little silly really.

Rehashing arguments and reviewing the past is probably 30% of the content of this board, and that is a conservative estimate.

Also...you are underestimating the damage that Dooley did on the recruiting trail.
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This right here in the last paragraph.

Part of the reason that Butch is being so widely praised is that his recruiting is a 180 from Dooley.

Dooley should be tarred and feathered for derelection of duty in his recruiting last season. I don't care how bad it got...the man didn't even attend a single high school game last season .
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
This right here in the last paragraph.

Part of the reason that Butch is being so widely praised is that his recruiting is a 180 from Dooley.

Dooley should be tarred and feathered for derelection of duty in his recruiting last season. I don't care how bad it got...the man didn't even attend a single high school game last season .
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The team saw Dooley quit. Hard to blame them for doing the same.
 
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BoroVol20 said:
I know it probably is sacrilegious to disagree with some of you, but I don't think we blame Dooley for the lack of depth. Kiffin's class only had a few players left to finish their careers here. Then Dooley got about 45 days to scrap together a recruiting class his first year. Dools did some good things and some bad things. He was not ready to become head coach at an SEC program. His arrogance hurt him.
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lack of depth is a direct results of having the 4th HC in 6 years along with massive staff changes since end of 2007.. instability in staff will create depth issues
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Yeah, vs Kentucky.....

Don't feel like defending Dooley again, but he did improve the roster quite a bit.
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Yeah for this last year. He would be in the same boat as Butch had he gotten a year 4. Where is all this roster depth and improvement that Dooley left Butch?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
This right here in the last paragraph.

Part of the reason that Butch is being so widely praised is that his recruiting is a 180 from Dooley.

Dooley should be tarred and feathered for derelection of duty in his recruiting last season. I don't care how bad it got...the man didn't even attend a single high school game last season .
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I can't blame him for that. I haven't been to one since I graduated from high school, 45 years ago.
 
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He grew bamboo, made ridiculous WWII analogies, demanded a certain shower hygiene, lost to UK for the first time in 25 years, told the Vols to take a knee in the MIzzou game,embarrassed us at Vandy last year..Feel free to add things to this list...:blink:
 
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to pay a little tribute to ronnie here.....

are you better off now than you were three years ago?

people can nitpick all they want about which situation was worse to walk into, butch 2013 or dooley 2010.

however, it was a losing situation in need of a rebuild then. it's a losing situation in need of rebuild now. bowl eligibilty was a good achievement then and bowl eligibility is a good achievement now.

nothing has changed. he accomplished nothing.
 
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oregonvol said:
So you want to blame Kiffin for lack of depth but not Dooley? I'm not really following you there. Dooley had plenty of time to make up for Kiffin.



You know people keep saying that we are in a cycle that every major program goes through, but I'm not so sure of that anymore. When did Alabama, Florida & Georgia have three straight losing seasons (I don't count South Carolina because they are a historically awful program)? The most recent example is Georgia, but that happened 50 years ago.
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Oklahoma, USC, and LSU have all gone through it in the last quarter century. LSU had 6 straight losing seasons from 89-94, including a 2-9 season.
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Oklahoma, USC, and LSU have all gone through it in the last quarter century. LSU had 6 straight losing seasons from 89-94, including a 2-9 season.
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Also, does it make that much difference if record is 5-7 or 7-5? In both cases program is not relevant (in NC as well as SEC race). Those all feel like lost years. If you accept that line of thinking the list is much longer (Nebraska, Auburn, Notre Dame, Michigan, Miami, FSU, all had fairly significant stretches of not being relevant).
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It certainly wasn't coach or recruit for needs.

It's been bothering me more on Georgia week. He wasn't a organizational manager. He wasn't a player's coach. He wasn't a football coach. Everyone says we have no talent and no depth. What did he do here?

If Kiffin was an atom bomb leaving radioactive decay in his wake, the Bamboo Farmer was the process of erosion. It doesnt look like it's doing much then one day, poof, the mountain is gone.

Forget Steve Spurrier. I think Vol fans have to strongly consider Vince and Barbara as the ultimate Vol Nemeses of the modern era.

Go Vols!
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Dooley is no longer coach!! Get over it!! Move on!!! There is nothing you can do about it!!
 
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TGVol said:
Also, does it make that much difference if record is 5-7 or 7-5? In both cases program is not relevant (in NC as well as SEC race). Those all feel like lost years. If you accept that line of thinking the list is much longer (Nebraska, Auburn, Notre Dame, Michigan, Miami, FSU, all had fairly significant stretches of not being relevant).
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Yes, there is a big difference between 5-7 and 7-5. A BOWL GAME!!!
 
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He coached up players, kept up our sterling pillars of the comunity...leaving no laptop unloved, supporting DuhRick, teaching Bray to get paid for his beer bottle toss game, setting new academic standards for football players. Teaching the benchmark standard on hygiene and constructing a how to guide for money transfers.

All kidding aside, it begins and ends with VFL which was one great thing.

He was a "Bulldog" in "Blueticks" fur!
 
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I think it was over for him when Wilcox and Sirmon left. That ws a lot of the recruiting muscle on the team. I would like to know from them exactly why they left. I bet it would be enlightening.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I don't think Chaney gets a free pass. You can draw plays in the dirt with Bray, CP, and JH. As Bray and Worley might testify, some QB coaching might have gone a long way with them too.

But again - Dooley for not making him coach the QBs.
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or the Kickers, Palardy suddenly looks like a pro out there.
 
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VolunteerTitan3 said:
I think it was over for him when Wilcox and Sirmon left. That ws a lot of the recruiting muscle on the team. I would like to know from them exactly why they left. I bet it would be enlightening.
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I think it's obvious why they left. There was so much noise and pressure building against Dooley that they saw he was not going to last much longer. In my opinion the Kentucky loss was the final nail - after that Dooley could no longer keep some assistants on board and the perception he was on hot seat killed the recruiting in his third year (I think he did an excellent job in his first 2 years - especially right after he joined he pulled in Hunter and D Rogers and he had very little time available). It was actually a miracle he was able to get CP on board when he was already on such hot seat (probably because CP was only going to do one year anywhere he went and he saw that offense with Bray throwing the ball a lot so figured he would be able to shine and get the spotlight - all worked out great for him).
 
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I was very sad when my 85 year old grandfather said he would never live to see a winning team because of Dooley. This make my hatred of him worse but I have moved on. Ready to see more from Butch and hope he can bring my Pap a winning team on the hill!
 
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