What's best for the future of UT football: Dooley teams win or... (merged)

#401
#401
While we are on Chizik's background and Dooley's...you can clearly say Chizik made Iowa state worse, and Dooley at least made La Tech better.
 
#402
#402
utmba93 said:
You are clearly reaching.

Saying UT should hire either is absurd. We didn't even interview Chizik. Dooley earned the same treatment.
Click to expand...

Interesting point - we didn't even interview Dooley before hiring X.

That's too bad, because at that point, he had a winning record as a HC at 13-12.

Now understanding that the more he lost the more attractive he became, I can see why some many people think Hammy did a bang-up job on this one, and others were clamoring for PF to return for another season.
 
#403
#403
Jake Tate said:
"I WANT ATTENTION, I WANT ATTENTION!!!" OP wants attention, that's all this thread is about. He wanted a top 5 thread and now he's got it...

Anything that has me choosing losing over winning is a bad choice. Dooley is going to be a great coach and pull in great talent, look at our top 10 class this year.... Da'Rick Rogers, Hunter, Nance, Neal, we are going to be just fine.

NegaVols, go buy some red and gold and move to the west coast, no one wants you here!
Click to expand...

:stop:
 
#404
#404
oregonvol said:
Of course, everyone said Saban wasn't worth 5 million 3 years ago. Now no one is saying it.

My point is, I don't really care what we pay for a head coach, as long as we get the right guy (and don't go bankrupt). We can afford to pay top dollar here, and, in a time of great need, like the situation Kiffin put us in, we should have been willing to open the bank vaults to get the best guy possible.
Click to expand...

This is true but Kiffin put us in a particular situation that made it nearly impossible to get those big names. We needed a quick hire and most of the big names we offered early did not want to leave their respected programs at that particular time being so close to signing day and all.
 
#405
#405
I am not an expert on coaching or coaches, I'm not even an expert on grading talent. But if your smart enough to obtain a law degree your probably smart enough to realize that an opportunity to move up in coaching to an SEC team, one thing is almost given, now that he's here, he will work harder to stay here than perhaps he's ever worked before, just as a 1 or 2 star recruit may turn into a hall of famer. A 4 or 5 could be a bust. how many heisman winners fell flat in the NFL? The level of competition in the SEC is tuff. So myself personally am willing to try a wait and see.
 
#406
#406
utmba93 said:
No need to limit it to us 'gloom and doomers,' you should give up on arguing altogether. Surely you can do something else better.
Click to expand...

You're a joke dude. Nothing more. You're just an attention whore like the guy said a couple posts above. You're pathetic. GTFO
 
#408
#408
UTVOL02 said:
Oh, so 5-19 in the Big 12 is leaps and bounds better than 17-20 in the WAC? And I'm the one who's reaching? LOL

And don't forget, quite a few of those losses were to SEC OOC games.
Click to expand...

Chizik had 3 times the number of wins against BCS conference teams than Dooley.
 
#410
#410
volstexans said:
Welcome to the theater of the absurd.

The running joke was that if you lose in year two of a college program that the fanbase would be calling for your head.

You are calling this hire a failure less than 4 weeks since being named the coach, and before he organizes a practice.

Being critical of a coach or AD is one thing, I think its ok to criticize while supporting, but to judge the hire before he holds a practice is defenseless. You have no idea how this will turn out.
Click to expand...

I don't know what my post has to do with the work of Jean Genet and his peers, but I'm a big fan, so I'll assume it's a compliment.

How fair is it to criticize the Dooley hire at this point in time? About as fair as it is to praise it. Surely, no one knows what the future holds. I can't say for certain that he won't win big here. But, then, I can't say for certain that my paper boy wouldn't win big either. All I can say is that neither one's resume would seem to qualify them for the job.
 
#411
#411
jps2194 said:
What an idiotic question. Success breeds success. The more wins, the better recruits, the better recognition, etc.

Before you start a thread questioning him, give him and his staff an opportunity. If you asked this question next year after a losing record, then that would be "MORE" appropriate. Notice I didn't say appropriate, but it would be more than asking such a dumb question now.
:mad:
Click to expand...

And we should strive for being 'approrpiate' on an internet board about the Vols and the program we care so much about. Appropriate would be to put on blinders and talk about the extraordinary potential for rebuilding UT's football program evidenced by the hiring of a 4-8 coach from the WAC.

To paraphrase from HatVol....
why wait?

If the Copper Cellar hires a cook from the local McDonalds that failed its health inspection miserably (a score of 50 or so), I know it's going to suck for a while.
 
#414
#414
No one is saying that Dooley was or even should have been our first choice. YES we have taken a HUGE gamble here. YES it would have been preferable to hire a "big name coach" who has proved that he can not only win at this level but win championships. NO ONE is saying that hiring a guy like Saban (who has won NC at another school) would not have been best. But, the initial question of the thread assumes that Dooley won't and more importantly, CAN'T win championships at UT.

My point and many others in this thread is that Dooley isn't somehow disqualified or physically incapable of winning championships because he hasn't done it before.

For the thousand or so reasons that have been mentioned repeatedly on this and other threads, we were not going to hire the "proven" (as in won a NC at another BCS school) coach. He just is not out there to be hired. Certainly we couldn't hire that person under the circumstances we were dealt! i guess I could be wrong, but I don't think Meyer, Saban, Carrol, Mack Brown, or Les Miles (not that we'd want him) could be hired by UT right now for ANY amount of money. Those are the only coaches that can truly be said to be "proven coaches" if you mean NCs.

Every hire is a gamble. Kiffin was a gamble and we lost! I don't know if Dooley will ever win a SEC championship or a National Championship. But, i don't think we want him to fail because somehow he is incapable of winning here and we need to fire him to get the proven guy in here. I hope that he proves us all wrong and goes down as a Tennessee coaching legend.
 
#415
#415
utmba93 said:
Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?
Click to expand...

Ok, I'll play along.

You have a choice.

1. Let the '10, '11, and '12 seasons play out and give him a chance to succeed or fail.

or

2. You pick the record for each season that would ensure CDDs ouster after the 2011 season. (8-16?)

You say you don't want UT to lose, then you pose this same ridiculous question. So step up to the plate, which one do you choose?
 
#416
#416
zach0105 said:
This is true but Kiffin put us in a particular situation that made it nearly impossible to get those big names. We needed a quick hire and most of the big names we offered early did not want to leave their respected programs at that particular time being so close to signing day and all.
Click to expand...

We didn't need a quick hire. One recruiting class is not as important as having the right guy to lead your program.
 
#418
#418
UTVOL02 said:
You're a joke dude. Nothing more. You're just an attention whore like the guy said a couple posts above. You're pathetic. GTFO
Click to expand...

And you're simply providing more evidence to support one's classification of your position as blind homerism.
 
#419
#419
PennVol said:
why people are so convinced Gruden and Lovie Smith would have been home run hires doesn't make sense to me. The only thing you would get from that is espn being all over the hire. You can't call Dooley a strike out, and Hamilton a flop b/c he didn't go get either of those coaches.
Click to expand...

I don't necessarily believe that Gruden or Smith would have been home run hires (although Gruden is about as "home run" as you can get), but they both have much more impressive resumes than Dooley.
 
#420
#420
utmba93 said:
And you're simply providing more evidence to support one's classification of your position as blind homerism.
Click to expand...

Not at all man. I just figure since he's been hired as our HC maaaaaaybe we should allow him to coach a few games before we get the militia together. That's all. You're predicting he'll fail, practically hoping for it, I'm on the other team.
 
#421
#421
oregonvol said:
I don't know what my post has to do with the work of Jean Genet and his peers, but I'm a big fan, so I'll assume it's a compliment.

How fair is it to criticize the Dooley hire at this point in time? About as fair as it is to praise it. Surely, no one knows what the future holds. I can't say for certain that he won't win big here. But, then, I can't say for certain that my paper boy wouldn't win big either. All I can say is that neither one's resume would seem to qualify them for the job.
Click to expand...

I'm not praising the hire. I'm taking a wait and see approach.

You are saying, well its idiotic to praise the hire, equally as idiotic to criticize the hire, but what the hell, others are praising him, so I'll be critical.
 
#422
#422
BigPapaVol said:
He has coached some games.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

you know what i mean :crazy:. let him do his thing here before all of you idiots start in. its discouraging how many braindead posters there are here. i bet half of you people never went to UT. and if you did, then it's even more discouraging
 
#423
#423
oregonvol said:
We didn't need a quick hire. One recruiting class is not as important as having the right guy to lead your program.
Click to expand...

So we wait until after signing day when most coaches have already signed their extensions or are set in their current position? Losing more potential candidates and the recruiting class.
 
#424
#424
He's our coach. He's been hired. Nothing you say or type is going to change that. Why sit around and moan and groan about how bad life is? What do you get out of that? Seriously? Oh no, things didn't go our way...we wanted Jon Gruden! We wanted Gruden!!! And we didnt get him 3 weeks before signing day...and now we're going to pout about it. You, oregonvol and the other negavols sound like a bunch of crybabies.
 
#425
#425
UTVOL02 said:
Not at all man. I just figure since he's been hired as our HC maaaaaaybe we should allow him to coach a few games before we get the militia together. That's all. You're predicting he'll fail, practically hoping for it, I'm on the other team.
Click to expand...

I'm with you on that team.

The sky is falling! crowd needs something to do between the bowl game and spring practice, I guess.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top