What's best for the future of UT football: Dooley teams win or... (merged)

[n_huffhines]

This is probably the worst thread I've seen. It'd be better for Tennessee if they win.

 

[golfballs]

And you're simply providing more evidence to support one's classification of your position as blind homerism.

the premise of your entire argument is garbage. why even waste your time with all of this hypothetical bulls***

 

[utmba93]

No, he meant,

"Let him coach some games against the far easier SEC teams - a much inferior bunch to those WAC teams that have drubbed him for the last three years."

Exactly... lol: lol:

The SEC won't know what hit 'em by the time Dooley is done. The WAC attack is coming! k:

 

[grace2u]

No, he meant,

"Let him coach some games against the far easier SEC teams - a much inferior bunch to those WAC teams that have drubbed him for the last three years."

Exactly. Because it's apples to apples. We have the same talent that LaTech had, the same assistants, the same facilities, so there's absolutely no way that CDD can ever win in the SEC.

He'll never have anything more than an occasional 3 star recruit to go with his 1 and 2 star recruits that a program like UT draws. And Wilcox, Chaney, Thompson, et al won't make any difference either.

So I've made my choice, I think it would be best for UT if they didn't win a game next year. Maybe if we're lucky, Vandy can beat us by 47. Then, when AD Mike and CDD are gone, we can hire Mac Brown to be our AD, Saban can run the d, and Meyer can run our offense. We'll pay them each 10 mil a year and the NCAA will cancel all games because we would win every game from then on. I mean, we're TENNESSEE. We deserve that.

 

[Vercingetorix]

'Miserably' describes what he did at LA Tech. Mediocrity is the considered alternative.

The question is which is better for the future of the program?

He didn't do "miserably" at LA Tech. He took a horrible team, improved it and won its first bowl game in forever in his second year, and then regressed against a tough schedule with an ungodly amount of travel the next year. However, that said, this:

If he can't win in the WAC after three seasons, he can't win in the SEC.

...is a pretty unarguable. The only things you can offer up in excuse are A) that LA Tech is sandwiched right in among among a pantload of BCS conference schools, so they're never going to get any good players at all; and B) they ridiculously play in the Western Athletic Conference, which means it's over 900 miles to their nearest conference opponent, making their weekly travel ridiculous. It's probably no coincidence that, with the exception of Boise, they won all their conference home games and lost all their conference road games last year. I don't really see how anybody could win consistently in Ruston.

That's all I've got. Pretty weak, I know.

 

[zach0105]

He's our coach. He's been hired. Nothing you say or type is going to change that. Why sit around and moan and groan about how bad life is? What do you get out of that? Seriously? Oh no, things didn't go our way...we wanted Jon Gruden! We wanted Gruden!!! And we didnt get him 3 weeks before signing day...and now we're going to pout about it. You, oregonvol and the other negavols sound like a bunch of crybabies.

+1

For those who are against this hire, if you want go down to the athletic department and lobby until you get him fired. Aside from that all you can do is give him a chance and believe Hammy will do whats right for the program if CDD does not succeed.

 

[DuckRiverVol]

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever win a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he can ever win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the best he can do is win may 10 games in his third year at UT, but never any more than that. In the meantime, many concede that he will help recruiting, but that he can not recruit as well as CLK and company. So, even his recruiting upside is limited versus the trajectory we were on.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want to Vols to win, let me clarify in saying that we all want the Vols to win.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?

So now we need a NO THANKS button or thumbs down. How can you call yourself a UT fan and you want the team to LOSE? FAIL

 

[oregonvol]

I'm not praising the hire. I'm taking a wait and see approach.

You are saying, well its idiotic to praise the hire, equally as idiotic to criticize the hire, but what the hell, others are praising him, so I'll be critical.

Welcome to the internet. People like to talk about how they think things will go. If we all took a "wait and see" approach, then we wouldn't have much to talk about.

Anyway, the only things I'm really critical of with Dooley is what he has done already, namely going 17-20 in the WAC. But, moreover, I'm critical of Hamilton for hiring a 17-20 WAC coach.

 

[BigPapaVol]

you know what i mean :crazy:. let him do his thing here before all of you idiots start in. its discouraging how many braindead posters there are here. i bet half of you people never went to UT. and if you did, then it's even more discouraging

I did not go to UT as I couldn't get in, but what does that have to with the price of tea in China?

Guess resting on CDDs laurels proves you a genius, especially when stacked atop that diploma of yours.
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[golfballs]

Welcome to the internet. People like to talk about how they think things will go. If we all took a "wait and see" approach, then we wouldn't have much to talk about.

Anyway, the only things I'm really critical of with Dooley is what he has done already, namely going 17-20 in the WAC. But, moreover, I'm critical of Hamilton for hiring a 17-20 WAC coach.

i suggest you sit there and twiddle your thumbs until you have something better to talk about

 

[NashVol11]

He didn't do "miserably" at LA Tech. He took a horrible team, improved it and won its first bowl game in forever in his second year, and then regressed against a tough schedule with an ungodly amount of travel the next year. However, that said, this:



...is a pretty unarguable. The only things you can offer up in excuse are A) that LA Tech is sandwiched right in among among a pantload of BCS conference schools, so they're never going to get any good players at all; and B) they ridiculously play in the Western Athletic Conference, which means it's over 900 miles to their nearest conference opponent, making their weekly travel ridiculous. It's probably no coincidence that, with the exception of Boise, they won all their conference home games and lost all their conference road games last year. I don't really see how anybody could win consistently in Ruston.

That's all I've got. Pretty weak, I know.

Why did Gary Crowton do better there then? Not only is he reduced to an OC now, he's a pretty awful one at that...

 

[tigervol9802]

We didn't need a quick hire. One recruiting class is not as important as having the right guy to lead your program.

I have tried to rationalize the interim coach and I can't.

You definitely lose the 2010 class, which you are willing to forfeit if you make sure a move.

IMO, You also lose the 2011 class as well. No top notch player is going to come on board in that situation.


Also, the interim coach would make it where Hinshaw is probably going to be the best assistant coach you get instead of the worst. Your top assistants are getting out of town on that as well. We would have been lucky to pull in Willie Martinez as D-coordinator at that point.

Good luck getting a top name coach in here in December '10 with those strings attached, I don't care if you offer him $6 million a year. Top notch coaches don't like rebuilding jobs, and the interim coach route would basically be razing the program and building it again from scratch.

And even if you just forfeit the 2010 class, I don't think a top notch coach is coming in here for that rebuilding project either.

 

[GahLee]

By, "contorting" do you mean, "using my previous comments, verbatim, as a means of highlighting the many illogical weaknesses which are responsible for the overwhelming errancy of the argument I attempted to propose in spite of many facts, including my feigned ignorance of even the most basic premises of arithmetic, at which point I was simply reduced to sophomoric name-calling when all tenants of my ramshackle defense had been obliterated, and left me utterly exposed in an indefensible position"?

If you consider that to the handiwork of a contortionist, then consider me Stretch Armstrong, brosuf.

I don't know what the f*** you just said kid, but you special.

 

[timmy]

Exactly. Because it's apples to apples. We have the same talent that LaTech had, the same assistants, the same facilities, so there's absolutely no way that CDD can ever win in the SEC.

Bad news for Dooley is that SEC teams also have better talent, facilities, and assistants.

 

[utmba93]

Not at all man. I just figure since he's been hired as our HC maaaaaaybe we should allow him to coach a few games before we get the militia together. That's all. You're predicting he'll fail, practically hoping for it, I'm on the other team.

For the 18th time, I hope he wins every game he coaches as the UT HFC.

I'm most just conjuring up wild speculation that he will not and considering some of the alternative outcomes and there effects on UT football program.

That's hard to do for someone like yourself who sees so much promise evidenced in his past accomplishments.

 

[tvolsfan]

UT has 2 legit NT in over 100 years of football, expecting title is merely absurd.

2 legit NT? It isn't like the AP is the only poll that ever mattered. Either way, we can win championships now. Alabama doesn't get good recruits by talking about the 41 title. It takes tradition, which we have, and good coaching, which we can have.

 

[tvolsfan]

I have tried to rationalize the interim coach and I can't.

You definitely lose the 2010 class, which you are willing to forfeit if you make sure a move.

IMO, You also lose the 2011 class as well. No top notch player is going to come on board in that situation.


Also, the interim coach would make it where Hinshaw is probably going to be the best assistant coach you get instead of the worst. Your top assistants are getting out of town on that as well. We would have been lucky to pull in Willie Martinez as D-coordinator at that point.

Good luck getting a top name coach in here in December '10 with those strings attached, I don't care if you offer him $6 million a year. Top notch coaches don't like rebuilding jobs, and the interim coach route would basically be razing the program and building it again from scratch.

And even if you just forfeit the 2010 class, I don't think a top notch coach is coming in here for that rebuilding project either.

We may, but if we get a great hire next year, it's completely worth it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

+1

For those who are against this hire, if you want go down to the athletic department and lobby until you get him fired. Aside from that all you can do is give him a chance and believe Hammy will do whats right for the program if CDD does not succeed.

Binary land is allsome.
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[oregonvol]

He's our coach. He's been hired. Nothing you say or type is going to change that. Why sit around and moan and groan about how bad life is? What do you get out of that? Seriously? Oh no, things didn't go our way...we wanted Jon Gruden! We wanted Gruden!!! And we didnt get him 3 weeks before signing day...and now we're going to pout about it. You, oregonvol and the other negavols sound like a bunch of crybabies.

What else am I supposed to do? Would it make you feel better if I just lied and said, "yeah this is totally going to work out" even though there is no evidence which suggests it will?

It makes as much sense for me to be on here to say that I'm angry about this hire as it does for you to be on here saying how happy you are about it. Believe me, I would love for one of you Dooley-lovers to give me a solid reason to feel better about this hire. But, I've found nothing of the sort here. When you see the school you've pulled for all your life heading straight for years of mediocrity, and no one wants to question the decisions that have led us to this point, then it's a bit hard to keep silent.

 

[golfballs]

I did not go to UT as I couldn't get in, but what does that have to with the price of tea in China?

Guess resting on CDDs laurels proves you a genius, especially when stacked atop that diploma of yours.
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i'm not going to even open that can of worms.....

 

[zach0105]

Welcome to the internet. People like to talk about how they think things will go. If we all took a "wait and see" approach, then we wouldn't have much to talk about.

Anyway, the only things I'm really critical of with Dooley is what he has done already, namely going 17-20 in the WAC. But, moreover, I'm critical of Hamilton for hiring a 17-20 WAC coach.

12-12 in the WAC where 8 of those loses were away and 2 against Boise at home.

 

[BigPapaVol]

i'm not going to even open that can of worms.....

It's probably best you don't. I don't see it going well.
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[golfballs]

conjuring up wild speculation

exactly. what a waste of time

 

[NickZ4UT]

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever win a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he can ever win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the best he can do is win may 10 games in his third year at UT, but never any more than that. In the meantime, many concede that he will help recruiting, but that he can not recruit as well as CLK and company. So, even his recruiting upside is limited versus the trajectory we were on.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want to Vols to win, let me clarify in saying that we all want the Vols to win.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?

You're insane. Show me where it's written that CDD can't win more than 10 games. On top of that I would hate to see Dooley struggle here, talk about setting the program back, it would be like what happened to Nebraska. That program has not fully recovered from a string of bad coaches, yeah they had some recent success but nowhere close to the dominance that they enjoyed for almost a decade. So get that attitude out of here, it has no place in the current incarnation of UT football. We all need to be patient because we will rise again sooner rather than later.

 

[utmba93]

You're insane. Show me where it's written that CDD can't win more than 10 games. On top of that I would hate to see Dooley struggle here, talk about setting the program back, it would be like what happened to Nebraska. That program has not fully recovered from a string of bad coaches, yeah they had some recent success but nowhere close to the dominance that they enjoyed for almost a decade. So get that attitude out of here, it has no place in the current incarnation of UT football. We all need to be patient because we will rise again sooner rather than later.

Nice pep talk, but we're not in the team locker room.

My wild speculation (insanity, in your view) does not reside in thoughts about possibilities, but is instead rooted in thoughts about probabilities.