What's best for the future of UT football: Dooley teams win or... (merged)

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sjt18 said:
And against them. If I'm not mistaken, Saban holds Dooley in pretty high regard... which for a Bama fan would be like words from the very mouth of a god.
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Which is exactly why they are worried about him. They never played Louisiana Tech. They are worried because of a Saban quote from four years ago. That tells us nothing.
 
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DD4ME said:
+1 In losing fast like the poster asks we would only wreck our name as a stable place to develop talent for the future. The recruits that helped them win NC didn't show up at UF and UA solely because of a coach. They showed up at first because of the strength of the institution. Now they roll waist deep in 5 stars because of their combination of the 2. DD may not be the NC guy but he dang sure better level the ground for it to be paved with gold.
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Losing fast is much better than losing for 8 years. If we lose quickly, we're a great program who is down. If we lose for 8 more years, we're Clemson.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Losing fast is much better than losing for 8 years. If we lose quickly, we're a great program who is down. If we lose for 8 more years, we're Clemson.
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Exactly. That's my concern. I don't want to be Clemson.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't think Dooley was a default hire though. That would have been Cut or Kippy.
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Imo, Cut was the default hire, but Hamilton couldn't hire him. Dooley was below his default hire. Kippy should have been the default.
 
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VKAman said:
He nearly doubled his salary and became an associate head coach, so no. Oh, and remind me where his recruiting specialty is again?
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Went from $195K base to $205K base. FSU has some sort of speaking deal where he can earn $100K. IIRC, UT counter offered and matched the deal... he left anyway.

Whole bunch of ifs here...I'll give you another one: IF the hostesses were going to come forward with damaging information about Kiffin, wouldn't they do it right now?
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Not without some really, really good reason to do so. Would you publicly announce you were a tramp for no good reason?

There's one critical thing here that's not an "if". There is no "if" about whether Kiffin is ethical or not. He isn't... and I still can't quite follow why a UT fan would go to the efforts to defend him that you do.

You think Nick Saban has loyalty?
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Did I say I did? OTOH, Saban didn't leave anyone in the same kind of lurch CLK left UT in. Saban wasn't damaged goods that someone picked up and helped back to their feet only to show ultimate ingratitude a little over a year later. Saban is loyal to Saban and money... He's a mercenary just like I said when they hired him... Kiffin is far, far worse than that.
Orgeron has been around since the late 80s...remind me how his recruiting has "caught up to him" so far (other than giving him a reputation that helps him recruit even better...)
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Orgeron was pretty effectively "nobody" until Carroll picked him up at USC in 2005. Tell me again about all those great recruiting classes he brought to Syracuse... as recruiting coordinator there he brought in classes that finished 4-8, 6-6, and 6-6 in his last three years then went 1-10, 4-8, and 2-10 in the following years.

He's only been a household name since hooking up with Carroll... just give him a little time. He's only been successful for a few years. That's if you call 10-25 at Ole Miss successful.

Oh, reportedly, the players he recruited to Ole Miss hated him too and that's part of the reason he couldn't win.
 
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The arguments about our EXACT spot in the recruiting rankings drives me nuts. You'll never convince me that the #1 teams group of 18 year old players is better than the #2,3 or 4 teams class. And no one will be able to convince me our #9 class is worse than whoever was #6 or better than whoever was #14. Different players are worth different amounts to different teams. What if we traded Stone and James for Ambles and, say, Dorsey? We probably have a better class ranking, but we all know we'd be up Sh$% creek if that happened what with our OLine depth. We got great players just like LSU, Bama and Auburn did (not including UF because they absolutely killed it this year). Now it comes down to who can coach them better and put in the better gameplan. I don't know if Dooley can do that, but I'm not ready to write him off 1 month into the job.
 
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utmba93 said:
Imo, Cut was the default hire, but Hamilton couldn't hire him. Dooley was below his default hire. Kippy should have been the default.
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Dooley's resume doesn't warrant being a default hire.

I mean seriously... there are huge, huge holes in it. He might be absolutely great. Apparently someone convinced Hamilton of that possibility- that somehow the guy is ready to explode on to the scene somewhere. However he may be just as bad as his w/l record at La Tech.

His hiring wasn't be default... it was pretty much a desperate gamble.

IMO, if Dooley goes... he'll be able to work out a package deal with the moving company and Hamilton. However, I think Hamilton rightly calculated that the "safe" choice of say Cut would have gotten him fired for sure after a few years of middling results.
 
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100% chance DD is gone in 3 if he has a losing season next year and below a top 10 recruiting class following. I believe he will have a losing season next year but I believe Kiffin would have too. Too me it depends on his recruiting class next year. For the record though I think he will suprise most of the doomsday crew. His only issue on paper is LA D Da Tech and that record worries most of us just like it nags Dooley himself. Which is why he's gonna work like the devil to put it in the past. Which is exponentially better than working to be the devil like kiff was!
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utmba93 said:
To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever win a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he can ever win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the best he can do is win may 10 games in his third year at UT, but never any more than that. In the meantime, many concede that he will help recruiting, but that he can not recruit as well as CLK and company. So, even his recruiting upside is limited versus the trajectory we were on.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want to Vols to win, let me clarify in saying that we all want the Vols to win.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?
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If you really have a MBA from UT, you may be the most ignorant person to come out of the program.
 
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sjt18 said:
Went from $195K base to $205K base. FSU has some sort of speaking deal where he can earn $100K. IIRC, UT counter offered and matched the deal... he left anyway.
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He made $185K here last year. He's making $305K at FSU with a promotion. I don't really care how you spin that. I also noticed that you conspicuously omitted the fact that, even when here, he made half of his living as a recruiter in Florida. It made sense. Wilson is from Louisiana. It made sense.

People leave jobs for:
A. a promotion
B. a raise
C. to go back to where they feel most comfortable

Most coaches would leave for one of these things. Gran and Wilson each got all three, but they left because of Kiffin? Okay...

Not without some really, really good reason to do so. Would you publicly announce you were a tramp for no good reason?
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They can easily say that Kiffin suggested it and they refused. Do you remember how enraged Knoxville was? Every little rumor had this site and Volquest buzzing about calling TMZ. If there was even a little bit of smoke regarding this, it would have become a full-fledged wildfire.

There's one critical thing here that's not an "if". There is no "if" about whether Kiffin is ethical or not. He isn't... and I still can't quite follow why a UT fan would go to the efforts to defend him that you do.
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That's cool and all, but it really doesn't matter.

Did I say I did? OTOH, Saban didn't leave anyone in the same kind of lurch CLK left UT in. Saban wasn't damaged goods that someone picked up and helped back to their feet only to show ultimate ingratitude a little over a year later. Saban is loyal to Saban and money... He's a mercenary just like I said when they hired him... Kiffin is far, far worse than that.
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He left for a better job and more money...stop acting like he's the Oklahoma City bomber...

Orgeron was pretty effectively "nobody" until Carroll picked him up at USC in 2005. Tell me again about all those great recruiting classes he brought to Syracuse... as recruiting coordinator there he brought in classes that finished 4-8, 6-6, and 6-6 in his last three years then went 1-10, 4-8, and 2-10 in the following years.

He's only been a household name since hooking up with Carroll... just give him a little time. He's only been successful for a few years. That's if you call 10-25 at Ole Miss successful.

Oh, reportedly, the players he recruited to Ole Miss hated him too and that's part of the reason he couldn't win.
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Ever heard of Miami?

Did you not watch Ole Miss demolish us this year? Do you honestly think Houston Nutt is that good a coach? I hope not...

His players may hate him as a head coach, but since he wasn't one here and isn't one now I don't really see the relevance...
 
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Hmmm... what would be better for UT... for Dooley to win or lose... tough one... On one hand, lots of sitting space at the home games if they lose... other hand, big screaming crowds if they win... if they win a lot, maybe we get better callers on vol-calls... but if they lose a lot we get more day games... let me sleep on this one.
 
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TheRain said:
Hmmm... what would be better for UT... for Dooley to win or lose... tough one... On one hand, lots of sitting space at the home games if they lose... other hand, big screaming crowds if they win... if they win a lot, maybe we get better callers on vol-calls... but if they lose a lot we get more day games... let me sleep on this one.
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You're far more rational than some people who have been around here much longer. Don't let the insanity on the site change you...
 
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We will survive...we will many a game in the future. I know this is a message board and I am aware we have all been through the grinder of late. I think the Dooley hire has worked out great so far. Will it be a great hire in the future? No one knows and anyone who says they know is guessing based on little fact. I am going to take my season tickets and enjoy everything that is UT football.

Who is with me?
 
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jewbaccah said:
we will survive...we will many a game in the future. I know this is a message board and i am aware we have all been through the grinder of late. I think the dooley hire has worked out great so far. Will it be a great hire in the future? No one knows and anyone who says they know is guessing based on little fact. I am going to take my season tickets and enjoy everything that is ut football.

Who is with me?
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+100000000
 
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Jewbaccah said:
We will survive...we will many a game in the future. I know this is a message board and I am aware we have all been through the grinder of late. I think the Dooley hire has worked out great so far. Will it be a great hire in the future? No one knows and anyone who says they know is guessing based on little fact. I am going to take my season tickets and enjoy everything that is UT football.

Who is with me?
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I am with you!:clapping::hi:
 
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After building up the roster with 5 star recruits, dooley will win big---bank on it!
 
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UTMark said:
If you really have a MBA from UT, you may be the most ignorant person to come out of the program.
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UT's MBA program shouldn't be embarrassed by my ignorance, insanity, or retardation.

I've noted several times in the past, that I chose the MBA in my username to stand for My Best Athlete and 93 was for the X-man. I'm counting on Montori to restore dignity to my username.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dooley's resume doesn't warrant being a default hire.

I mean seriously... there are huge, huge holes in it. He might be absolutely great. Apparently someone convinced Hamilton of that possibility- that somehow the guy is ready to explode on to the scene somewhere. However he may be just as bad as his w/l record at La Tech.

His hiring wasn't be default... it was pretty much a desperate gamble.

IMO, if Dooley goes... he'll be able to work out a package deal with the moving company and Hamilton. However, I think Hamilton rightly calculated that the "safe" choice of say Cut would have gotten him fired for sure after a few years of middling results.
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This is a good post.

In the long term interests the program, would it have been better to have Cut for 3 middling years and out or Dooley for 8 middling years and out?

Dooley and 3 bad years is better than Cut and 3 middling years and out because Dooley can recruit. We've seen his strongest cards already. This staff needs to be very good, imo. They need to outwork CLK and company to have a fighting chance.
 
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