Where is Alexa headed? [Alexa Middleton leaving team]

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PRG said:
Will she have to sit out another year ???
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I believe so because she was practicing with the team but I could be wrong unless she returns to a hometown team and can use that as her reasoning for leaving UT
 
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T_Vol376 said:
I believe so, as mlindsay said... that's if she stays in the SEC correct? If she does not she doesn't sit a year. Is that right, mlindsay?
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I think she sits out a year regardless but the NCAA grants family hardships in the case of like an immediately relative has an illness so something like that. So for example if she had a parent or sibling diagnosed with something and she needed to be closer to home to help, she could be granted immediate eligibility to play. I thought she would transfer last summer so to see her sit out a year (and waste a redshirt) to then transfer is baffling to me, I wish her the best though.
 
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mlindsay said:
I believe so because she was practicing with the team but I could be wrong unless she returns to a hometown team and can use that as her reasoning for leaving UT
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Maybe Holly wanted her to pass the ball inside to Mercedes?
 
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PRG said:
Do you think that practicing she realized her playing time might behind the freshmen??
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I don't think that because she is a competitor from what I have been able to witness. I think Diamond (and I could be wrong) MeMe (because they came in together) and maybe Green (because she sat out with her last year) were the only ones she had a real relationship with on the team (again I could be wrong).

With Diamond leaving after this season, and Green who also has the same chance to leave and MeMe minutes looking to decline and Holly also trying to set an example and prove that it isn't her coaching but that the players aren't buying in could all play a role.

Alexa leaving and Te'a leaving and having to play freshman earlier than she would like buys Holly extra time, just wonder if she is the last one to leave (God I hope so)
 
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mlindsay said:
I think she sits out a year regardless but the NCAA grants family hardships in the case of like an immediately relative has an illness so something like that. So for example if she had a parent or sibling diagnosed with something and she needed to be closer to home to help, she could be granted immediate eligibility to play. I thought she would transfer last summer so to see her sit out a year (and waste a redshirt) to then transfer is baffling to me, I wish her the best though.
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Gotcha - thanks for clarifying! I find it baffling as well... Hope she's the last of the transfers!
 
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As far as I'm concerned, these two transfers are yet another indictment of Warlick. Whatever the reason for a transfer, it almost always has something to do with the coach and coaching decisions/personality. Even if there is some class between player personalities, it is the coach's job to sort it out and keep the group together. More cracks in the program. And the timing couldn't be worse. The Vols just had another bad season, were looking at have a formidable team this year with Cooper back and the freshmen coming in --and now we've lost two guards and the Vols, have NO experienced point guard and are back to having depth issues. Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
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armchair said:
As far as I'm concerned, these two transfers are yet another indictment of Warlick. Whatever the reason for a transfer, it almost always has something to do with the coach and coaching decisions/personality. Even if there is some class between player personalities, it is the coach's job to sort it out and keep the group together. More cracks in the program. And the timing couldn't be worse. The Vols just had another bad season, were looking at have a formidable team this year with Cooper back and the freshmen coming in --and now we've lost two guards and the Vols, have NO experienced point guard and are back to having depth issues. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Up to this point, you have claimed that Cooper is a subpar player with a bad jump shot who would have made little difference to the program's fortunes this season. Now her transfer is a devastating lass.

And I do agree that losing Cooper is a blow. I think, given her rehab had gone well, she would have been a key player. But transfers happen in all programs, whether it be Baylor, Uconn, Maryland or the LVs under Summitt. So, it is a stretch that transfers are unique indictment of Holly.

But given your MO, of course you seize this bad news as another opportunity to declare that HOLLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE JOB AND SHE IS THE WORST COACH EVER.

I am glad you re-asserted the point because this time I really, really, really understand how you feel.
 
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armchair said:
As far as I'm concerned, these two transfers are yet another indictment of Warlick. Whatever the reason for a transfer, it almost always has something to do with the coach and coaching decisions/personality. Even if there is some class between player personalities, it is the coach's job to sort it out and keep the group together. More cracks in the program. And the timing couldn't be worse. The Vols just had another bad season, were looking at have a formidable team this year with Cooper back and the freshmen coming in --and now we've lost two guards and the Vols, have NO experienced point guard and are back to having depth issues. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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I'm no fan of Holly, but just about every​ team got hit by multiple transfers. It's the nature of the game.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Yep same same.

They both had a year of eligibility left, but elected not to stay at Tennessee and went on to greener pastures, whether the pro league or another school.
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i wish Kate was leaving after two Championships in a row.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Yet Diamond stayed when she could have been a number 1 WNBA pick.

But if you want to agree with people saying Alexa is less of a Lady Vols because she decided to finish her eligibility elsewhere, then be my guest.
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Ah, the amazing power of false equivalences. BY my saying that Candace's and Lexa's situations are different, I am agreeing with those who say Alexa is less of a LV.

There is a bit of a logical gap in moving from A to B there.

And what does Diamond's decision have to do with anything? These are all independent events with players considering different factors and options. Nothing these other players have done reflects on Alexa or vice versa.

If you want to defend Middleton from the less of a LV charge--I don't think she needs defending from such an idiotic dispersion-- just say did her best and wore the LV uniform with pride. Going "nanana, Candace did not stay for her redshirt year so there...!" as some kind of vindication for Alexa (or an indictment of Candace?) is just adding more irrelevance to a situation you are presumably wanting to rectify.
 
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Before people start slamming the staff in the court of public opinion....again and again, don't you think it would be better to let the facts come out first? I understand some for taking the draconian approach because they have an agenda but many who post here do not so let the facts come out over the next week or so. It will be much easier to separate facts from fiction if the knee jerk speculation is minimized.
 
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madtownvol said:
Up to this point, you have claimed that Cooper is a subpar player with a bad jump shot who would have made little difference to the program's fortunes this season. Now her transfer is a devastating lass.

And I do agree that losing Cooper is a blow. I think, given her rehab had gone well, she would have been a key player. But transfers happen in all programs, whether it be Baylor, Uconn, Maryland or the LVs under Summitt. So, it is a stretch that transfers are unique indictment of Holly.

But given your MO, of course you seize this bad news as another opportunity to declare that HOLLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE JOB AND SHE IS THE WORST COACH EVER.

I am glad you re-asserted the point because this time I really, really, really understand how you feel.
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that Cooper was a "sub-par" player. I said she was a player who struggled against zone defenses as a freshman and did not shoot the ball very well. Both true. I said she was a talented player who is best suited to play uptempo and against man-to-man defenses--also obviously true. Regardless of my opinion, she certainly seemed destined to play a big role on the team his year--and was our only point guard with experience. To lose two guards with experience is a major blow. We are now back to having depth issues. It is fair to say that transfers are somewhat common and perhaps unavoidable in some cases. One can also argue, as I will, that they are a reflection of the coach and the program. It is the coaches job to manage the players. That is not easy to do, in some cases, and there are suggestions that Cooper has attitude issues. Maybe her leaving was unavoidable. But the bottom line is that a struggling program, desperate to put a foot right for a change, has just been hit by more bad news.
 
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armchair said:
that Cooper was a "sub-par" player. I said she was a player who struggled against zone defenses as a freshman and did not shoot the ball very well. Both true. I said she was a talented player who is best suited to play uptempo and against man-to-man defenses--also obviously true. Regardless of my opinion, she certainly seemed destined to play a big role on the team his year--and was our only point guard with experience. To lose two guards with experience is a major blow. We are now back to having depth issues. It is fair to say that transfers are somewhat common and perhaps unavoidable in some cases. One can also argue, as I will, that they are a reflection of the coach and the program. It is the coaches job to manage the players. That is not easy to do, in some cases, and there are suggestions that Cooper has attitude issues. Maybe her leaving was unavoidable. But the bottom line is that a struggling program, desperate to put a foot right for a change, has just been hit by more bad news.
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In another post on the Cooper thread, you said this program has "a bad mojo" and Ithink it is fair to assume to attribute that to Holly. But is not also possible that your interpretation of what constitutes a bad mojo is a bit selective. Is there not a bit of good mojo that two likely first round draft picks and AA candidates opted to come back for their remaining years of eligibility? Next year, we have a bonafide big three and two highly touted PGs coming into the team fold. Is that not some positive mojo?
 
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madtownvol said:
In another post on the Cooper thread, you said this program has "a bad mojo" and Ithink it is fair to assume to attribute that to Holly. But is not also possible that your interpretation of what constitutes a bad mojo is a bit selective. Is there not a bit of good mojo that two likely first round draft picks and AA candidates opted to come back for their remaining years of eligibility? Next year, we have a bonafide big three and two highly touted PGs coming into the team fold. Is that not some positive mojo?
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Yes.....yes it is. This coupled with improvements in the remaining players and a boost from the incoming talent is certainly something positive to believe in if one is willing.
 
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Rickster said:
Yes.....yes it is. This coupled with improvements in the remaining players and a boost from the incoming talent is certainly something positive to believe in if one is willing.
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Indeed...at any rate, it's done, they have moved on, and we must go onward.
 
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madtownvol said:
In another post on the Cooper thread, you said this program has "a bad mojo" and Ithink it is fair to assume to attribute that to Holly. But is not also possible that your interpretation of what constitutes a bad mojo is a bit selective. Is there not a bit of good mojo that two likely first round draft picks and AA candidates opted to come back for their remaining years of eligibility? Next year, we have a bonafide big three and two highly touted PGs coming into the team fold. Is that not some positive mojo?
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I agree, there have been positive developments. That DD and Russell decided to come back was positive--I was pleasantly surprised by DD's decision but don't think Russell ever seriously considered leaving. The recruiting class is certainly a positive. However, we've now lost two potentially major contributors, which partially negates the good momentum, and we'll never have truly good mojo until we get a new coach. But I've said my peace about Warlick and will try--hard!--to stop banging on about her as we're stuck with her for at least another year. Hold me to it! :thumbsup:
 
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