Behr
Takin Care of Bidness
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Yeah posting a safety warning and recall notice for somebody looking for a specific weapon is negative. :crazy: Here's negative: Dang, I'm sorry I posted that notice for your information and now I hope you drop the gun and it shoots your dog (in the leg or something he recovers from easily). See the difference there?Leave it to the squirrel to post a negative LINK... lol
BTW... Thanks for the info Behr
yeah posting a safety warning and recall notice for somebody looking for a specific weapon is negative. :crazy: Here's negative: Dang, i'm sorry i posted that notice for your information and now i hope you drop the gun and it shoots your dog (in the leg or something he recovers from easily). See the difference there?
Get your lady a .38 derringer. Easy to handle and hard to take away. Of course, an over/under double barreled piece would be better.
I also just bought one of these, have you shot it yet?
I am about to go get my permit, can someone give a quick overview of the class?
Timeframe really depends on the instructor. Either way you'll be in the classroom first going over safety and laws. There is also a state mandated video to be watched. It's outdated and borderline miserable.
The range consists of 48 shots. Distances vary, but they have it set up to where as long as you keep your eyes open and don't have Parkinson's you should pass.
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Thanks for responding. I am ready to go do this. I have been told where I am going to take the class it takes about 8 or 9 hours.
It really all depends on class size and instructor. We were in the classroom from 8 until around 12. Took a lunch break and went to an offsite shooting range. We were done there by 3. It certainly isn't a waste of time. There's some really informative stuff there.
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This is how my class went. Agreed about the video. It was probably cutting edge back in '84, not so much now.It really all depends on class size and instructor. We were in the classroom from 8 until around 12. Took a lunch break and went to an offsite shooting range. We were done there by 3. It certainly isn't a waste of time. There's some really informative stuff there.
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Hman....gotta' disagree on this one. Friend is gunsmith for Metro Nash. PD. If you want a derringer, HighStandard makes a .22 mag that is light, easy to conceal, less kick and a hollow point will do more damage than a .38 round.
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While the other attributes you list are good ones I'm not a fan of .22 anything for self defense. That's not to say it doesn't beat harsh language and fingernails but a .22 rimfire, even in WMR, is a decided step down from an equivalent .38. For starters you're giving up .134 in caliber. That might not look like much by itself but it'd be the same difference from a .357 caliber to a .491. That's actually a pretty big difference. Personally I'd be carrying 125gr HP in a .38 and the standard .22WMR pill is only 40gr. Out of a 4" barrel velocities would be about 1200 for the .22 and 975 for the .38. That sounds like a big + for the .22 but due to the huge weight disparity the .22 is churning out less than half the muzzle energy. (out of shorter concealment barrels the velocity would be lower for both with the .22 taking a bigger beating as velocity is the only thing it had going for it to begin with) Penetration for a bullet that light can be pretty iffy too, especially if one is having to shoot through any amount of clothing.
Not trying to be overly argumentative here as there are certainly points to be made for the .22, particularly in recoil and concealability. It's just that the capabilities of .22 rimfires are sometimes given a lot more credibility than they deserve. Hell, for that matter even .38's and 9mm's (much less .380's) are considered on the "light side" by a great many people unless used in deep concealment rigs. In all cases hitting what you aim at is paramount as a .22 hit trumps a .44 miss any day.
Thanks for responding. I am ready to go do this. I have been told where I am going to take the class it takes about 8 or 9 hours.
Dude, you're in Murf? I can tell you where to take the class fairly cheaply ($65), and the instructor is very good and not boring,the class also seemed to not be as long as what I've heard from others. It was thorough, just didn't drag on and on, except the mandatory video, which there's no getting around. If you're interested.
Hman....gotta' disagree on this one. Friend is gunsmith for Metro Nash. PD. If you want a derringer, HighStandard makes a .22 mag that is light, easy to conceal, less kick and a hollow point will do more damage than a .38 round.
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While the other attributes you list are good ones I'm not a fan of .22 anything for self defense. That's not to say it doesn't beat harsh language and fingernails but a .22 rimfire, even in WMR, is a decided step down from an equivalent .38. For starters you're giving up .134 in caliber. That might not look like much by itself but it'd be the same difference from a .357 caliber to a .491. That's actually a pretty big difference. Personally I'd be carrying 125gr HP in a .38 and the standard .22WMR pill is only 40gr. Out of a 4" barrel velocities would be about 1200 for the .22 and 975 for the .38. That sounds like a big + for the .22 but due to the huge weight disparity the .22 is churning out less than half the muzzle energy. (out of shorter concealment barrels the velocity would be lower for both with the .22 taking a bigger beating as velocity is the only thing it had going for it to begin with) Penetration for a bullet that light can be pretty iffy too, especially if one is having to shoot through any amount of clothing.
Not trying to be overly argumentative here as there are certainly points to be made for the .22, particularly in recoil and concealability. It's just that the capabilities of .22 rimfires are sometimes given a lot more credibility than they deserve. Hell, for that matter even .38's and 9mm's (much less .380's) are considered on the "light side" by a great many people unless used in deep concealment rigs. In all cases hitting what you aim at is paramount as a .22 hit trumps a .44 miss any day.
Hey Hdog.
Well you obviously know your stuff. There will always be variables on impact, clothing, buttons etc. Guess my point of "damage" is that a hollow point will frag whereas a slug will mushroom if the round gets to soft tissue.
To be gun specific, I've seen some .38 derringers that have horrible trigger pulls and the grips generally don't lend themselves to accuracy. That is just my argument to Hman suggesting a .38 derringer for a lady to carry. But, at the end of the day, if I have to draw down on someone I want it to be my .40 Glock or a 1911.