Who Has Their Carry A Concealed Weapon Permit?

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#126
rbroyles said:
Never had a successful break-in, but one Saturday I happened to look out the front door and observed a man walk up to the front door of the house across the street, and key in the alarm code. The neighbors ran a restaurant so I knew there was no one home. I called them at work, and as I suspected, no one was supposed to be at their house. I grabbed my Ruger 357 Mag and walked over and stood behind a tall hedge until the neighbor got home which was only about 5 minutes. He grabbed an iron out of some golf clubs under the carport, and started in the door. I decided for some reason to go around back where there was a patio door. I saw it was open, and almost in the same instant the intruder flushed from behind a bush and took off around the house over a fence and up the street with me on his heels. (to this day I don't remember how I got over that fense of 5ft, must have been adrenalin, but I jumped it). He started up the next driveway which is very steep, and I knew I couldn't keep up, so I pulled the 357 and yelled for him to stop I had a gun. He hesitated, so I yelled again, and was about to fire a round over his head when he stopped. Then the fool started walking up to me saying please don't shoot me. I had to scream at him to stay away, then the neighbor came running up the street yelling shoot the SOB about three times. About then I heard police cars coming up the hill, so I pocketed the gun, and walked home. The intruder was an employee of the neighbor who was fired that morning. We got a couple free meals, and this was the most expensive place in the Tri-Cities.
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I don't think it would have been a good idea to shoot him that far from the crime scene, and with him not having a weapon...
 
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#127
IPorange said:
I don't think it would have been a good idea to shoot him that far from the crime scene, and with him not having a weapon...
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If I had to shoot him, I had an old .32 S&W that would have been sacrificed so he would have been armed.
 
#129
#129
rbroyles said:
Never had a successful break-in, but one Saturday I happened to look out the front door and observed a man walk up to the front door of the house across the street, and key in the alarm code. The neighbors ran a restaurant so I knew there was no one home. I called them at work, and as I suspected, no one was supposed to be at their house. I grabbed my Ruger 357 Mag and walked over and stood behind a tall hedge until the neighbor got home which was only about 5 minutes. He grabbed an iron out of some golf clubs under the carport, and started in the door. I decided for some reason to go around back where there was a patio door. I saw it was open, and almost in the same instant the intruder flushed from behind a bush and took off around the house over a fence and up the street with me on his heels. (to this day I don't remember how I got over that fense of 5ft, must have been adrenalin, but I jumped it). He started up the next driveway which is very steep, and I knew I couldn't keep up, so I pulled the 357 and yelled for him to stop I had a gun. He hesitated, so I yelled again, and was about to fire a round over his head when he stopped. Then the fool started walking up to me saying please don't shoot me. I had to scream at him to stay away, then the neighbor came running up the street yelling shoot the SOB about three times. About then I heard police cars coming up the hill, so I pocketed the gun, and walked home. The intruder was an employee of the neighbor who was fired that morning. We got a couple free meals, and this was the most expensive place in the Tri-Cities.
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So an unarmed man was running away from you and you pulled a gun on him? Smart.
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#130
#130
rbroyles said:
If I had to shoot him, I had an old .32 S&W that would have been sacrificed so he would have been armed.
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It's another topic to discuss all the legalities involved but believe me when I tell you life as you know it would probably have been over if you had been found to have even shot AT the guy. I'm no fan of how much the legal system can often seem to be more interested in protecting the bad guys than the rest of us but from the moment you started pursuing that guy you pretty much threw away the "fear of bodily injury or death" argument and became an armed vigilante.

Seriously, short of somebody grabbing your kid and taking off (that's some pretty heavy jury leverage) the law takes a VERY dim view of armed pursuit by private citizens. And that's just criminal charges, nevermind what might come up in a civil suit.

I'm not trying to bust your chops...just trying to make sure you grasp the very grave possibilities that can come scenarios like the one you described.
 
#131
#131
I am just trying to point out the questionable morality of shooting at the guy. Legally, it's pretty clear that it's a terrible idea.
 
#133
#133
Firing a round over his head would also be a bad idea, since everything that goes up must come down somewhere. The full trajectory of the bullet needs to be considered before pulling the trigger.
 
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#134
J-P said:
Firing a round over his head would also be a bad idea, since everything that goes up must come down somewhere. The full trajectory of the bullet needs to be considered before pulling the trigger.
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try rationalizing all that in a bit more stressful situation
 
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J-P said:
Firing a round over his head would also be a bad idea, since everything that goes up must come down somewhere. The full trajectory of the bullet needs to be considered before pulling the trigger.
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Exactly. People die every year from bullets that weren't at all intended for them.
 
#137
#137
Two things that should be known and or taught in the Carry Permit Class is that for one, there are no such things as "warning shots."

Two, no matter if the shooting is just or not, you are responsible (financially) for the bullet once it leaves the barrel.
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#138
lylsmorr said:
try rationalizing all that in a bit more stressful situation
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If you are going to carry a loaded weapon, you need to have considered and thought certain things through way in advance, and you need to be on the range regularly. Being as I have my own personal range in my back yard, I get my fair amount of practice time, although thanks to ammo prices these days, it's not as much as I would like. Trust me, as my weapon is coming up, my mind is considering the target, what is behind it, what angle am I firing in. You'd be surprised how many things you can consider in a fraction of a second. We're not talking about pondering, just thinking quick. The more you do it, the better you get.

Before I even considered getting my permit, I dealt with the decision of whether or not I would be able to take someone's life if it meant defending myself and my family. As I was taking the class, and often since then, I have thought about what are the situations in which it is okay for me to draw the weapon and fire and which situation are not okay.

Also, I have the best trainer, my son, who has the best training available on the planet, the US military.
 
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#139
Lofton4Three said:
Two things that should be known and or taught in the Carry Permit Class is that for one, there are no such things as "warning shots."

Two, no matter if the shooting is just or not, you are responsible (financially) for the bullet once it leaves the barrel.
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I see you were paying attention in class! :good!:
 
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#140
J-P said:
If you are going to carry a loaded weapon, you need to have considered and thought certain things through way in advance, and you need to be on the range regularly. Being as I have my own personal range in my back yard, I get my fair amount of practice time, although thanks to ammo prices these days, it's not as much as I would like. Trust me, as my weapon is coming up, my mind is considering the target, what is behind it, what angle am I firing in. You'd be surprised how many things you can consider in a fraction of a second. We're not talking about pondering, just thinking quick. The more you do it, the better you get.

Before I even considered getting my permit, I dealt with the decision of whether or not I would be able to take someone's life if it meant defending myself and my family. As I was taking the class, and often since then, I have thought about what are the situations in which it is okay for me to draw the weapon and fire and which situation are not okay.

Also, I have the best trainer, my son, who has the best training available on the planet, the US military.
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I have considered the same things, and that is exactly why I have elected to not get a carry permit, despite owning firearms. I don't feel comfortable having to decide whether to ever pull or not in given situations. I respect other people's choice to carry, but it's not for me.

There are many situations where adding a firearm, or another firearm, to the mix is not a good thing.
 
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#141
IPorange said:
I have considered the same things, and that is exactly why I have elected to not get a carry permit, despite owning firearms. I don't feel comfortable having to decide whether to ever pull or not in given situations. I respect other people's choice to carry, but it's not for me.

There are many situations where adding a firearm, or another firearm, to the mix is not a good thing.
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I respect that, and you're very right. I hope I never have to pull and fire except on a range, and I hope that I do the right thing if I ever do have to. But I have also thought about the feeling of hiding and waiting while someone is going around shooting unarmed people in the head until they get around to me or their "suicide" moment arrives, and decided I would rather trust myself with doing the right thing than trust everyone else to.

However, I am 50. I probably would not have felt comfortable with the idea when I was younger and more immature.

There were a couple years not too long ago where I found myself unable to find a job in my area of expertise and became a truck driver to provide for my family. In order to get more loads, I took the test and got my hazmat stamp on my CDL. I remember how scary the thought of driving around the country responsible for several tons of highly explosive, flammable or toxic chemicals was. But I had been trained well, and I found that if I just didn't cut corners and did things by the book, things turned out fine. I think I can trust myself to do the same when it comes to my permit. God will take care of the rest.
 
#142
#142
J-P said:
If you are going to carry a loaded weapon, you need to have considered and thought certain things through way in advance, and you need to be on the range regularly. Being as I have my own personal range in my back yard, I get my fair amount of practice time, although thanks to ammo prices these days, it's not as much as I would like. Trust me, as my weapon is coming up, my mind is considering the target, what is behind it, what angle am I firing in. You'd be surprised how many things you can consider in a fraction of a second. We're not talking about pondering, just thinking quick. The more you do it, the better you get.

Before I even considered getting my permit, I dealt with the decision of whether or not I would be able to take someone's life if it meant defending myself and my family. As I was taking the class, and often since then, I have thought about what are the situations in which it is okay for me to draw the weapon and fire and which situation are not okay.

Also, I have the best trainer, my son, who has the best training available on the planet, the US military.
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That's true but some people just "see red" under that kind of pressure is all I'm saying. Especially the first time it happens. I would have no problems pulling a trigger if a person broke into my house and threatened my families safety. However, I couldn't kill some stranger walking down the street without good cause. I would have enough trouble dealing with shooting the crook
 
#143
#143
hndog609 said:
It's another topic to discuss all the legalities involved but believe me when I tell you life as you know it would probably have been over if you had been found to have even shot AT the guy. I'm no fan of how much the legal system can often seem to be more interested in protecting the bad guys than the rest of us but from the moment you started pursuing that guy you pretty much threw away the "fear of bodily injury or death" argument and became an armed vigilante.

Seriously, short of somebody grabbing your kid and taking off (that's some pretty heavy jury leverage) the law takes a VERY dim view of armed pursuit by private citizens. And that's just criminal charges, nevermind what might come up in a civil suit.

I'm not trying to bust your chops...just trying to make sure you grasp the very grave possibilities that can come scenarios like the one you described.
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rbroyles said:
The only reason I would shoot is if he tried to attack me, and I would hit him in the leg.
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here's what can happen with irresponisble gun owners
 
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#144
vol_in_il said:
here's what can happen with irresponisble gun owners
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So what would you do, let him take the gun away? Let him get away? Not going to happen on our hill. The bad guys find out people are not push overs, they go to........ well maybe your neighborhood.
 
#145
#145
Lofton4Three said:
Two things that should be known and or taught in the Carry Permit Class is that for one, there are no such things as "warning shots."

Two, no matter if the shooting is just or not, you are responsible (financially) for the bullet once it leaves the barrel.
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100%!!!

Our instructor stressed this numerous times in my carry class 4 years ago.

All the balony about warning shots or shooting people in the leg from anti carry people are laughable.
 
#146
#146
J-P said:
Firing a round over his head would also be a bad idea, since everything that goes up must come down somewhere. The full trajectory of the bullet needs to be considered before pulling the trigger.
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There are nothing but woods around our houses, and that driveway is the last house on the street. A 357 out of a 3 inch barrel isn't going too far. I would have shot into the hill above him.
 
#147
#147
TheDeeble said:
100%!!!

Our instructor stressed this numerous times in my carry class 4 years ago.

All the balony about warning shots or shooting people in the leg from anti carry people are laughable.
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Not anti-carry, but you are apparently wrong about it being laughable. Broyles carries and made statements to that very effect.
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#148
IPorange said:
I am just trying to point out the questionable morality of shooting at the guy. Legally, it's pretty clear that it's a terrible idea.
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Well, first off if I shot at the guy, it would only be if he forced me to, and then I would hit him in a leg. I can shoot that well. If it is immoral to stand up to punks like him, then call me immoral. I have no problem with it.
 
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#149
rbroyles said:
Well, first off if I shot at the guy, it would only be if he forced me to, and then I would hit him in a leg. I can shoot that well. If it is immoral to stand up to punks like him, then call me immoral. I have no problem with it.
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Using lethal force (shooting in the leg talk is for the movies) against a non-violent petty thief who has already fled is immoral in my opinion.
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#150
#150
IPorange said:
Not anti-carry, but you are apparently wrong about it being laughable. Broyles carries and made statements to that very effect.
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Where did I say I carry a weapon? I only keep them in the house. If anyone has a problem with my actions, well just stay away from my hill. We have had numerous break-ins around us, some while people were home. I will not be a helpless victim. I am not a violent person, but you don't mess with my family.
 
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