Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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tvolsfan said:
6 conference titles, 10 years, and his recruiting zone isn't nearly as good as Texas's base, and he'll win again soon, like he did 2 years ago.


A few teams can make the claim of being at least as deserving.


And Coker did it with the best team ever assembled.
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All in a two horse conference. He's got a 0.0000 winning percentage against the SEC elite in the biggest games with a month to prepare.

Since this thread was about dissing Fulmer's championship, it's an Epic Fail. Stoops will be HoF bound. The 1998 team was one of the most deserving championships in recent memory. We beat something like five Top Ten teams and eight bowl teams. No one can take that away from Tennessee, and no one can throw anything that sticks on it.
 
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Volwark said:
No. But you could say that some guys who don't win more than one (or more) aren't as good as they should be.
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Not so sure. It's tough to win a national title, for sure. That's why it seems unfair that someone like Coker was able to win one, when some good coaches never will. Coaches that consistently win the conference are generally good coaches. That's where guys like Fulmer, Miles, and Brown are excluded.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I am convinced that just because you win a national championship it doesn't mean you are a great coach. You obviously have a lot of talent on your team, but I think a lot of times luck is a huge factor. I can't think of every coach who has won a NC, but just off the top of my head, here is probably my top 3. This should bring out all the Fulmerites.

1. Les Miles
2. Phil Fulmer
3. Larry Coker

Who do you all think?
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Coker, Miles, and then Fulmer.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Brown is at least 5 miles from the top 3.
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After Meyer and Saban, he's right up there. Look at Texas the previous 20 years...nothing. He had the best success for UNC ever basically. Yes, being in Texas helps, but still, for all we know, if McCoy plays that game, he could have two national titles (I still thought Bama would win though). I use to think Brown wasn't that good, but looking at consistentcy, it should be admired.
 
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tvolsfan said:
What's Fulmer's winning percentage against the Big 12 elite?
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I don't know.

But I do know Stoops is 0.0000. Hell, even Fulmer wasn't that bad! And Fulmer had FAR greater recruiting challenges.

It's not germane. The thread would be interesting if it weren't for the not so subtle dig at Fulmer and a TN championship that ranks every bit as great as any in our storied past. And was as deserving as any in the BCS era.

Those ("so-called") Vol fans who would disparriage the 1998 championship in any way are either:

1. Too young to know better
2. Too childish to do better
3. Lost as last year's Easter Egg

And all who do so have ZERO credibility. That's a Game, Set, and Match fact.
 
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zjcvols said:
After Meyer and Saban, he's right up there. Look at Texas the previous 20 years...nothing. He had the best success for UNC ever basically. Yes, being in Texas helps, but still, for all we know, if McCoy plays that game, he could have two national titles (I still thought Bama would win though). I use to think Brown wasn't that good, but looking at consistentcy, it should be admired.
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Stoops is far ahead of him. UNC won in an absolute wasteland. Tressel's ahead of him, too. There are other guys who are also ahead.
 
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utgibbs said:
I don't know.

But I do know Stoops is 0.0000. Hell, even Fulmer wasn't that bad!
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Name one Big 12 power Fulmer beat. And if you were going to say A&M in the 2004 Cotton Bowl, don't bother. It won't make your argument look any less terrible.

It's not germane. The thread would be interesting if it weren't for the not so subtle dig at Fulmer and a TN championship that ranks every bit as great as any in our storied past. And was as deserving as any in the BCS era.
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The team was, but he's far from the best to win a title.
 
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Stoops won a NC 10 years ago at Oklahoma not 2 years ago tvolsfan. He was palced into the NC game once even after OK didn't win their own conference. He is currently 1-3 in BCS Championship games (lost by a combined 53 pts) so I don't think Big gam Bob is really not as Big game as they let on, he is actually 2-5 in BCS bowls and 2-6 in bowl games since taking over. He also owns the distinct title of being the 1st BCS conference school to lose to a mid major in a BCS game (on a trick play no less)He has a really good recruiting base in Texas, kids either go to Oklahoma or Texas and the rest get spread out to A&M, Baylor, TCU and Okie St.

Stoops can recruit but he is way overrated.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Not so sure. It's tough to win a national title, for sure. That's why it seems unfair that someone like Coker was able to win one, when some good coaches never will. Coaches that consistently win the conference are generally good coaches. That's where guys like Fulmer, Miles, and Brown are excluded.
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It is tough. Even with talent, some guys luck into it (like Fulmer). But its like that Bible verse, "To whom much is given, much is required". I think if you've got enough talent to pull off a ton of wins (or top 5 finishes in Bowden's case), then you've got enough talent to pull off more NC. Somewhere along the line, you aren't winning the big games. That was the case with Carr.
 
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Mack Brown is just a good coach, period. He has never won less than 9 games a year since being at Texas. Texas was not winning like that before he got there, and it has always been a talent rich state. He posted 10 win seasons at North Carolina 3 times and was invited to 6 bowl games while there. Mack Brown should not be mentioned on this list.
 
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I_Hate_the_BCS said:
Stoops won a NC 10 years ago at Oklahoma not 2 years ago tvolsfan. He was palced into the NC game once even after OK didn't win their own conference. He is currently 1-3 in BCS Championship games (lost by a combined 53 pts) so I don't think Big gam Bob is really not as Big game as they let on, he is actually 2-5 in BCS bowls and 2-6 in bowl games since taking over. He also owns the distinct title of being the 1st BCS conference school to lose to a mid major in a BCS game (on a trick play no less)He has a really good recruiting base in Texas, kids either go to Oklahoma or Texas and the rest get spread out to A&M, Baylor, TCU and Okie St.

Stoops can recruit but he is way overrated.
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He won his conference 2 years ago. He has 6 conference titles. He lost to the 2004 Trojans, who were really damn good, and lost by respectable amounts in what were basically road game national title appearances in 2003 and 2008.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Name one Big 12 power Fulmer beat. And if you were going to say A&M in the 2004 Cotton Bowl, don't bother. It won't make your argument look any less terrible.


The team was, but he's far from the best to win a title.
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You're losing credibility fast.
 
#119
#119
Nebraska made Fulmer their bish. Kansas State at the end of their prime beat the hell out of us too.
 
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Volwark said:
It is tough. Even with talent, some guys luck into it (like Fulmer). But its like that Bible verse, "To whom much is given, much is required". I think if you've got enough talent to pull off a ton of wins (or top 5 finishes in Bowden's case), then you've got enough talent to pull off more NC. Somewhere along the line, you aren't winning the big games. That was the case with Carr.
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That's not the point. Lots of coaches lose big games a times. Only few coaches who have won national titles have shown incompetence. They are the ones who should be mentioned here.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
Mack Brown is just a good coach, period. He has never won less than 9 games a year since being at Texas. Texas was not winning like that before he got there, and it has always been a talent rich state. He posted 10 win seasons at North Carolina 3 times and was invited to 6 bowl games while there. Mack Brown should not be mentioned on this list.
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He shouldn't be, because he hasn't failed, but he's really done little other than capitalize on Vince Young. He gets credit for using that to his advantage instead of getting complacent. However, switch him and Stoops, and OU has 3-4 national titles this decade, and at least 8 conference titles.
 
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I think someone should bring the Faildozer out to save some of you from yourselves.

There is nothing any of you kiddies can launch that will stick to Fulmer or the 1998 championship. It is one of the most deserved championships in the BCS era.

There are a lot of VN posters in this thread losing credibility extremely quickly. But knock yourselves out.
 
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