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[zaqhhh]

The Department of Education is already a monolithic bureaucracy that sucks money from local schools to pay for an army of bureaucrats in Washington. What socialists like you advocate is to grow these bureaucracies at the expense of the common citizen.

The citizenry doesn't need government to tell it that education is important. The citizenry would be better off if government stayed entirely OUT of education. We should eliminate the DoED along with the college loan business and let's keep those dollars in the local school districts where they belong.

You can keep plugging socialist ideals and, as you said before, that may be the way the country goes. What you'll get is a DECREASED standard of living.

Actually the problem stems from your trust that one can truly be individualistic in a market society. The government must be used to help keep negative market externalities limited. For example, what is stopping Tuition from skyrocketing over the past 30 years? Or Billionaires to share more of the wealth with their employees? Or Wall Street from pushing deregulation that ends up wrecking Main Street?

Answer in US: Nothing
Answer in most nations: Government

In America, we give the illusion of freedom by saying go out, work hard, and everyone can get rich or at least make a very nice living.

What ends up happening instead because we have been taught a free market promotes the individual is a race to the bottom. These large interests in a free market society like the US become as powerful or moreso then the government except whereas the government's job is to protect it's citizenry (we can argue the effectiveness at times), but these interests make sure that we will not be able to have a fair chance at individualism. You may say life's not fair, but then why have a problem paying into government programs you don't want especially if everyone is then benefiting.

Yes those Nordic Countries are really struggling with standard of living... I will keep "plugging" those ideas.
You can blame socialism, but clearly just yelling socialism and flailing your arms doesn't seem to be pulling public opinion in your direction atm

 

[LouderVol]

Actually the problem stems from your trust that one can truly be individualistic in a market society. The government must be used to help keep negative market externalities limited. For example, what is stopping Tuition from skyrocketing over the past 30 years? Or Billionaires to share more of the wealth with their employees? Or Wall Street from pushing deregulation that ends up wrecking Main Street?

Answer in US: Nothing
Answer in most nations: Government

In America, we give the illusion of freedom by saying go out, work hard, and everyone can get rich or at least make a very nice living.

What ends up happening instead because we have been taught a free market promotes the individual is a race to the bottom. These large interests in a free market society like the US become as powerful or moreso then the government except whereas the government's job is to protect it's citizenry (we can argue the effectiveness at times), but these interests make sure that we will not be able to have a fair chance at individualism. You may say life's not fair, but then why have a problem paying into government programs you don't want especially if everyone is then benefiting.

Yes those Nordic Countries are really struggling with standard of living... I will keep "plugging" those ideas.
You can blame socialism, but clearly just yelling socialism and flailing your arms doesn't seem to be pulling public opinion in your direction atm

you know their taxes are still going up right? The costs are still increasing. just because it got socialized didn't stop the costs.

 

[K9Buck]

Actually the problem stems from your trust that one can truly be individualistic in a market society. The government must be used to help keep negative market externalities limited. For example, what is stopping Tuition from skyrocketing over the past 30 years? Or Billionaires to share more of the wealth with their employees? Or Wall Street from pushing deregulation that ends up wrecking Main Street?

Answer in US: Nothing
Answer in most nations: Government

In America, we give the illusion of freedom by saying go out, work hard, and everyone can get rich or at least make a very nice living.

What ends up happening instead because we have been taught a free market promotes the individual is a race to the bottom. These large interests in a free market society like the US become as powerful or moreso then the government except whereas the government's job is to protect it's citizenry (we can argue the effectiveness at times), but these interests make sure that we will not be able to have a fair chance at individualism. You may say life's not fair, but then why have a problem paying into government programs you don't want especially if everyone is then benefiting.

Yes those Nordic Countries are really struggling with standard of living... I will keep "plugging" those ideas.
You can blame socialism, but clearly just yelling socialism and flailing your arms doesn't seem to be pulling public opinion in your direction atm

Communism has been tried many times and failed EVERY time. You worship a failed ideology.

 

[zaqhhh]

Communism has been tried many times and failed EVERY time. You worship a failed ideology.

Oh ok you flailed at social programs and called it socialism.

I called that out.

You continue to flail and now yell Communism.

Mind blown...

 

[K9Buck]

Oh ok you flailed at social programs and called it socialism.

I called that out.

You continue to flail and now yell Communism.

Mind blown...

You're a communist. Communism enriches the elite and screws the common man. Go live in Cuba or North Korea and then come back and tell us how great it is, if they'll let you leave, of course.

 

[zaqhhh]

You're a communist. Communism enriches the elite and screws the common man. Go live in Cuba or North Korea and then come back and tell us how great it is, if they'll let you leave, of course.

Your comments have gone from uneducated to crazy to downright insane. You believe in social welfare? Commie!!!

How about I stay in this country and work to change it for the better and you continue to flail and cry communism. Sound good? Awesome.

 

[Wafflestomper]

You may say life's not fair, but then why have a problem paying into government programs you don't want especially if everyone is then benefiting.

That's a ridiculous statement. "If you agree that life's not fair then you should have no problem with extortion!"

Life isn't always fair, but that doesn't mean we should seek to make it more unfair.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Your comments have gone from uneducated to crazy to downright insane. You believe in social welfare? Commie!!!

How about I stay in this country and work to change it for the better and you continue to flail and cry communism. Sound good? Awesome.

What is your obsession with using the goverment as an engine for reform? If you want to pay people’s medical bills, there’s nothing stopping you. If you want to give to a scholarship fund they will take your money gladly. I like this idea that there’s all these gold hearted people out there dying to change things, but they just need the goverment to mandate it.

 

[zaqhhh]

What is your obsession with using the goverment as an engine for reform? If you want to pay people’s medical bills, there’s nothing stopping you. If you want to give to a scholarship fund they will take your money gladly. I like this idea that there’s all these gold hearted people out there dying to change things, but they just need the goverment to mandate it.

Societal Change.

Not one person doing something, but everyone changing.
That means that it will require government action and majority approval.

I believe we are quickly closing in on that.

 

[LouderVol]

Societal Change.

Not one person doing something, but everyone changing.
That means that it will require government action and majority approval.

I believe we are quickly closing in on that.

completely unnecessary. look at the Paris Accords, both sides won there.

We pulled out of paying other people's bills, and yet local and state governments have acted on their own to continue to lower emissions and what not. on the other hand most big countries that did sign it are not meeting the goals.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Societal Change.

Not one person doing something, but everyone changing.
That means that it will require government action and majority approval.

I believe we are quickly closing in on that.

Societal change under threat of jail. Fun.

 

[K9Buck]

Your comments have gone from uneducated to crazy to downright insane. You believe in social welfare? Commie!!!

How about I stay in this country and work to change it for the better and you continue to flail and cry communism. Sound good? Awesome.

You want government to regulate every facet of a citizen's life and you want "government" to pay for everyone's college education. Yes, you are a communist...and a FOOL.

 

[K9Buck]

Not one person doing something, but everyone changing. That means that it will require government action and majority approval.

Comrade, what bright idea do you have to get the welfare class to "change"?

 

[midnight orange]

Actually the problem stems from your trust that one can truly be individualistic in a market society. The government must be used to help keep negative market externalities limited. For example, what is stopping Tuition from skyrocketing over the past 30 years? Or Billionaires to share more of the wealth with their employees? Or Wall Street from pushing deregulation that ends up wrecking Main Street?

Answer in US: Nothing
Answer in most nations: Government

In America, we give the illusion of freedom by saying go out, work hard, and everyone can get rich or at least make a very nice living.

What ends up happening instead because we have been taught a free market promotes the individual is a race to the bottom. These large interests in a free market society like the US become as powerful or moreso then the government except whereas the government's job is to protect it's citizenry (we can argue the effectiveness at times), but these interests make sure that we will not be able to have a fair chance at individualism. You may say life's not fair, but then why have a problem paying into government programs you don't want especially if everyone is then benefiting.

Yes those Nordic Countries are really struggling with standard of living... I will keep "plugging" those ideas.
You can blame socialism, but clearly just yelling socialism and flailing your arms doesn't seem to be pulling public opinion in your direction atm

I would suggest picking up a copy of Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics. What stops the price of big screen tv’s or computers from rising without govt involvement? Since the 60’s, the government has encroached in healthcare and higher education so why are prices increasing and quality decreasing in these fields?

Basic Economics: 8601415789973: Economics Books @ Amazon.com

 

[zaqhhh]

completely unnecessary. look at the Paris Accords, both sides won there.

We pulled out of paying other people's bills, and yet local and state governments have acted on their own to continue to lower emissions and what not. on the other hand most big countries that did sign it are not meeting the goals.

While I applaud states and localities for stepping up, look what our own EPA/Interior has done on environmental policy. Much more damaging then the positives of the situation.

 

[zaqhhh]

Societal change under threat of jail. Fun.

How exactly is it threat of jail? If you are implying taxes, that has been established for a century already.

 

[zaqhhh]

You want government to regulate every facet of a citizen's life and you want "government" to pay for everyone's college education. Yes, you are a communist...and a FOOL.

Literally I said in a previous post that the market works better on some areas and the government in others.

Learn to read... Also why we need free education... Maybe it would have fixed the abomination that are your arguments.

 

[midnight orange]

How exactly is it threat of jail? If you are implying taxes, that has been established for a century already.

How do you propose to handle those who refuse to go along with “societal change”?

 

[zaqhhh]

I would suggest picking up a copy of Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics. What stops the price of big screen tv’s or computers from rising without govt involvement? Since the 60’s, the government has encroached in healthcare and higher education so why are prices increasing and quality decreasing in these fields?

Basic Economics: 8601415789973: Economics Books @ Amazon.com

Thanks for the suggestion, I am always open to reading different mindsets. I would say at a base level however that prices have increased in healthcare in periods with market domination and quasi government intervention and for obvious reasons.

 

[midnight orange]

Literally I said in a previous post that the market works better on some areas and the government in others.

Learn to read... Also why we need free education... Maybe it would have fixed the abomination that are your arguments.

Irony is telling someone to learn to read while advocating the wonders of “free”government education.

 

[zaqhhh]

How do you propose to handle those who refuse to go along with “societal change”?

It comes down to if the ideas I am championing can be established into law by a majority government. That doesn't require anybody being thrown into jail. Society and the perception and role of government changes with every major piece of legislation passed.

Education and Healthcare I believe would unite a lot of people across the aisles and would redefine how we see ourselves and our role in society not just as an individual.

 

[zaqhhh]

Irony is telling someone to learn to read while advocating the wonders of “free”government education.

Well he didn't read apparently...

And we are ranked behind most developed nations in education. That isn't just the opportunity factor either, if you aggregate we are still trailing dramatically.

 

[midnight orange]

Thanks for the suggestion, I am always open to reading different mindsets. I would say at a base level however that prices have increased in healthcare in periods with market domination and quasi government intervention and for obvious reasons.

Healthcare is at least 60% socialized and increasing. Education is probably 80% socialized. In both of these industries, quality is declining and prices are increasing.

 

[midnight orange]

It comes down to if the ideas I am championing can be established into law by a majority government. That doesn't require anybody being thrown into jail. Society and the perception and role of government changes with every major piece of legislation passed.

Education and Healthcare I believe would unite a lot of people across the aisles and would redefine how we see ourselves and our role in society not just as an individual.

Every law that is passed has a jail sentence attached to it.

 

[LouderVol]

While I applaud states and localities for stepping up, look what our own EPA/Interior has done on environmental policy. Much more damaging then the positives of the situation.

uh no. Policy does not equal enforcement. The new EPA isn't stopping anyone from being clean.