Who will replace Urban at UF? (Merged) (Fulmer to Florida)

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Actually, I would like to retract that statement. I was just saying that I don't see how Gruden would pass up a Miami job to take a job in Gainesville, but you can read what I was talking about earlier.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Given your logic, Pepperdine should contend for a BCS bowl every year.

I'd think a coach would want to go where he'd have the best opportunity to win, and given a choice between UF and Miami, UF wins that battle in my opinion.

UF has better facilities, more money, better fan support, plays in a championship conference, and UF (along with FSU) has had no problems recently winning recruiting battles against UM for South Florida talent.

Again, I don't think Gruden is a college guy, but I think you place too much emphasis on the locales and not enough on the resources at each school to make a coach successful.
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Fair enough.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Miami has nice beaches and better nightlife than Gainesville.

Therefore, it's a better coaching job.
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I mean, look at the cake walk Virginia Tech would have to make it to the championship. If the canes were somewhat decent they'd be served a BCS Championship game like breakfast in bed. Pushover, pushover, pushover, FSU, pushover, pushover, VT, pushover, pushover. Then a championship game? C'mon.
 
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Florida has the resources, but your argument for the SEC does as much for them as it does against them...those resources arn't going to beat Bama, UT, USCjr, Auburn, Arky and LSU.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
I mean, look at the cake walk Virginia Tech would have to make it to the championship. If the canes were somewhat decent they'd be served a BCS Championship game like breakfast in bed. Pushover, pushover, pushover, FSU, pushover, pushover, VT, pushover, pushover. Then a championship game? C'mon.
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That's a valid theory until you take into account FSU is at least 2 recruiting classes ahead of where Miami wants to be.

FSU will be a force nationally again no later than 2012.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That's a valid theory until you take into account FSU is at least 2 recruiting classes ahead of where Miami wants to be.

FSU will be a force nationally again no later than 2012.
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I agree completely, but who wouldn't want to play for Gruden with his ties to the NFL? That problem would be solved immediately in his first two recruiting classes.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
Florida has the resources, but your argument for the SEC does as much for them as it does against them...those resources arn't going to beat Bama, UT, USCjr, Auburn, Arky and LSU.
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And bringing in 35,000 fans for every UM home game isn't exactly going to raise enough money for a head coach to hire competent assistant coaches.

Miami is at best the 4th best program in the ACC right now.....THE FREAKING A SHE SHE!!! They should worry about beating the North Carolinas and Clemsons on a consistent basis before challenging Virginia Tech. Winning their division for the first time ever would be a good start to making me a believer.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
I agree completely, but who wouldn't want to play for Gruden with his ties to the NFL? That problem would be solved immediately in his first two recruiting classes.
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Objection, speculation.

I've given you factual reasons why it would be tougher for any coach to be successful at Miami relative to other jobs in Florida, and all you have is hearsay.

Gruden is hype. He's a made for TV personality with no proven track record of sustained success as a head football coach.

You have no idea what kind of recruiter Gruden would be...not that it would matter because it's unlikely Miami could pay Gruden any more than UT paid it's assistant coaches under Kiffin a couple years ago.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You have no idea what kind of recruiter Gruden would be...not that it would matter because it's unlikely Miami could pay Gruden any more than UT paid it's assistant coaches under Kiffin a couple years ago.
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As if recruiting at Miami is difficult.

If Meyer can recruit, Gruden could sure as hell find a way to do it. The guy would sign top 5 classes annually.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Objection, speculation.

I've given you factual reasons why it would be tougher for any coach to be successful at Miami relative to other jobs in Florida, and all you have is hearsay.

Gruden is hype. He's a made for TV personality with no proven track record of sustained success as a head football coach.

You have no idea what kind of recruiter Gruden would be...not that it would matter because it's unlikely Miami could pay Gruden any more than UT paid it's assistant coaches under Kiffin a couple years ago.
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My only leg to stand on in my argument is what we saw with Lane Kiffin. He had half of Gruden's resume and was the talk of the town. Top 10 class? Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.

If you see Gruden ask him why and I'll do the same. We'll meet back on VolNation and continue this conversation.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
As if recruiting at Miami is difficult.

If Meyer can recruit, Gruden could sure as hell find a way to do it. The guy would sign top 5 classes annually.
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The last 2-3 recruiting cycles are proof that recruiting kids to Miami isn't as easy as you think.

You have no idea, proof or anything tangible to suggest that Gruden could recruit kids to what is now at bet a mediocre Miami program.
 
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Volunteer08 said:
My only leg to stand on in my argument is what we saw with Lane Kiffin. He had half of Gruden's resume and was the talk of the town. Top 10 class? Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.

If you see Gruden ask him why and I'll do the same. We'll meet back on VolNation and continue this conversation.
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That's one shaky leg, because most here agree Kiffin was all hype.

I've been wrong enough this year, so time will tell.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That's one shaky leg, because most her agree Kiffin was all hype.

I've been wrong enough this year, so time will tell.
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Hype or no hype the man recruited. I don't care if scientists discover that Kiffin was made up of **** molecules...**** molecules recruited.
 
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Maybe I'm just jaded but I wasn't even the least bit surprised when I saw the first thread about Meyer leaving today on VN. Hardly registered on the "wow meter" at all.
 
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