Why is Trump destroying NATO ?

Why is Trump destroying NATO?

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evillawyer said:
Ah, the old "but I know people that say ...". That's fine if you're argument is SOME Germans like Trump. Not so good if the argument is most Germans or Germans in general like Trump.
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Find any non American news article thats not pro germany.

You can't because its all state run or from the EU.

The argument wasn't ALL germans on my part but you and that other dude that cleans out lock boxes seem to lump ALL germans and brits into one big group seem to think so.
 
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He said something that is blatantly obvious. He also did it earlier this week when he called out China for tanking the North Korea deal. And then there's China's trade habits. It's time we call spades, spades.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.
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How is it different than other countries criticizing Trump and the U.S. publicly? I'm just curious why we should be so concerned about "appearances" when other countries don't seem to give a damn?
 
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Trump's claim that Germany relies on Russia for 60-70% of it's energy is an exaggeration... and today really just further confirmed how much more comfortable Trump is, in dealing with authoritarian leaders than he is with our democratic allies. He has never been as publicly critical of Putin as he was Trudeau during the G-7 Summit or today with Merkel and Germany during the NATO Summit. That's a fact.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Furthermore, you libs should be screeching to support Trump on this.

You want to hurt Russia? Do it economically. Europe buys their oil and gas from us or other non-aligned nations.

No profits for Russia, they suck again.
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This is a great point
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump's claim that Germany relies on Russia for 60-70% of it's energy is an exaggeration... and today really just further confirmed how much more comfortable Trump is, in dealing with authoritarian leaders than he is with our democratic allies. He has never been as publicly critical of Putin as he was Trudeau during the G-7 Summit or today with Merkel and Germany during the NATO Summit. That's a fact.
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Muh Russia is your religion. That's a fact.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump's claim that Germany relies on Russia for 60-70% of it's energy is an exaggeration... and today really just further confirmed how much more comfortable Trump is, in dealing with authoritarian leaders than he is with our democratic allies. He has never been as publicly critical of Putin as he was Trudeau during the G-7 Summit or today with Merkel and Germany during the NATO Summit. That's a fact.
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He was pretty damn critical when talking to Germany about Russia. You can hear what you want I suppose, but his message was clear.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Furthermore, you libs should be screeching to support Trump on this.

You want to hurt Russia? Do it economically. Europe buys their oil and gas from us or other non-aligned nations.

No profits for Russia, they suck again.
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There was a deal in the works between the U.S. and Germany to import natural gas. But then the administration put a 25% tariff on steel and a 10% tariff on aluminum that killed the deal. Also importing liquefied gas from the U.S. needs to be shipped over the Atlantic which makes it more expensive.
 
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Despite the braying of the left, we know where we stand with Russia. It's not like our two countries pretend to be friends. Whereas countries like Canada and Germany have, at least in the opinion of some, taken advantage of being our allies. They've become accustom to us bending to serve them, and that needs to stop. Partnerships should be mutually beneficial, and, thus far, our allies seem to benefit more than we do. Maybe some don't share that perception, but personally, I don't see the problem with Trump applying pressure to create deals that are more fair to the U.S. The POTUS is about doing what's best for our country, not what's best for other countries.
 
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On Russia Today

Tatyana Parkhalina:
"I never thought I’d live to see this—neither the USSR nor Russia, who tried many times to drive the wedge between transatlantic allies, but Washington is doing everything to break down the foundations of transatlantic alliance & unity."

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY7wueyxwSg[/youtube]
 
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Grand Vol said:
Auntie Angela is pissed, though she doesn't address the criticism.

Trump and Merkel are headed for a one-on-one showdown after Trump said Germany was Russia's puppet - AOL News


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Just hours after Trump's comments, Merkel fired back, saying she lived in East Germany under Soviet control, and that things are different now.

"I am very happy that today we are united in freedom, the Federal Republic of Germany. Because of that we can say that we can make our independent policies and make independent decisions. That is very good, especially for people in eastern Germany."

Merkel also defended Germany's role in NATO, and pointed out that German soldiers are still fighting for US interests in Afghanistan after the US invoked NATO's mutual defense clause following the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"Germany is the second-largest provider of troops, the largest part of our military capacity is offered to NATO and until today we have a strong engagement toward Afghanistan. In that we also defend the interests of the United States," she said.

Found this interesting...



I tend to trust Reuters.
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Yes, Germany helped US interests (ruse so it looks like a coalition) which is the main reason for NATO, assisting each other. Does this mean she thinks she does not have to pay because they sent troops to Afghanistan or helped catch terrorists? If the US did not spend billions on defense would there even be a Germany, or would it be western Russia, middle Russia? The US maintaining the size and strength of its military is the main deterrent posed by NATO. Frankly, I don't see how they have the guts to come to a meeting when they are past due billions of dollars.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump's claim that Germany relies on Russia for 60-70% of it's energy is an exaggeration... and today really just further confirmed how much more comfortable Trump is, in dealing with authoritarian leaders than he is with our democratic allies. He has never been as publicly critical of Putin as he was Trudeau during the G-7 Summit or today with Merkel and Germany during the NATO Summit. That's a fact.
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You sound mentally retarded when you repeat the “he is more comfortable dealing with authoritarians” bs. The fact that your hero had a fascination with Mao, normalized relations with Cuba, and admired the movement in Venezuela doesn’t mean he is Obama. Didn’t he whisper in the ambassador from Russia’s ear about more flexibility? I know you truly believe some idiotic ads on Facebook really persuaded 40 million voters and Trump was urinated on in Moscow but that doesn’t make them true. You sound smart
 
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carlos86 said:
On Russia Today

Tatyana Parkhalina:
"I never thought I’d live to see this—neither the USSR nor Russia, who tried many times to drive the wedge between transatlantic allies, but Washington is doing everything to break down the foundations of transatlantic alliance & unity."

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY7wueyxwSg[/youtube]
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Look who’s quote RT :eek:lol:
 
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carlos86 said:
There was a deal in the works between the U.S. and Germany to import natural gas. But then the administration put a 25% tariff on steel and a 10% tariff on aluminum that killed the deal. Also importing liquefied gas from the U.S. needs to be shipped over the Atlantic which makes it more expensive.
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You haven't been gone long enough to forget links, right?
 
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Trump claimed earlier today that Germany was dependent on Russia for between "60-70%" of their energy. For the record, it's actually about 9%. Trump's claim that "Germany is captive of Russia" is beyond typical Trump hyperbole. It's just stupid.
 
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Russian chess grandmaster and Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation, Garry Kasparov, sent this tweet earlier today:

Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 - 9h

Trump doesn't really care about how much NATO countries spend on defense. He wants to destroy NATO and weaken the EU. And I'm sure only Robert Mueller can tell us why.
 
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