Why is Trump destroying NATO ?

[BigOrangeTrain]

Trump claimed earlier today that Germany was dependent on Russia for between "60-70%" of their energy. For the record, it's actually about 9%. Trump's claim that "Germany is captive of Russia" is beyond typical Trump hyperbole. It's just stupid.

Sort of like the Trump/Russia garbage. Utterly stupid.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Russian chess grandmaster and Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation, Garry Kasparov, sent this tweet earlier today:

Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 - 9h

Trump doesn't really care about how much NATO countries spend on defense. He wants to destroy NATO and weaken the EU. And I'm sure only Robert Mueller can tell us why.

What an insightful tweet. We should definitely hold his opinion to the highest standard.

 

[golfballs]

Trump claimed earlier today that Germany was dependent on Russia for between "60-70%" of their energy. For the record, it's actually about 9%. Trump's claim that "Germany is captive of Russia" is beyond typical Trump hyperbole. It's just stupid.

He was referring to gas. Which is accurate. You obviously cannot get coal and nuclear power fed through a pipeline

 

[BowlBrother85]

What an insightful tweet. We should definitely hold his opinion to the highest standard.

You really should. Do you know anything about Kasparov? Probably the greatest chess player ever. After retiring he became a political activist. He formed the United Civil Front movement whose primary goal is to preserve and protect democracy in Russia and then joined as a member of The Other Russia, a coalition opposing the administration and policies of Vladimir Putin. In 2008, he announced his intention to run as a candidate in that year's Presidential race but was barred from the Presidential ballot in various absurd ways by Putin. Kasparov is on record as saying that he believes that Putin has exercised leverage over Trump. He would know more about what Putin is capable of than any of us would. That's for sure.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Russian chess grandmaster and Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation, Garry Kasparov, sent this tweet earlier today:

Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 - 9h

Trump doesn't really care about how much NATO countries spend on defense. He wants to destroy NATO and weaken the EU. And I'm sure only Robert Mueller can tell us why.

He sounds like another liberal ass-clown tweeting sh!t he knows nothing about.

 

[BowlBrother85]

He sounds like another liberal ass-clown tweeting sh!t he knows nothing about.

:thud:

Unbelievable.

 

[Grand Vol]

Wall Street Journal:

"Trump Presses Germany to Drop Russian Pipeline for Trade Deal"

"Trump Postpones Steel Tariff Decision for EU, Other U.S. Allies"

Yeah, I ain't paying to see the WSJ, but found the articles through other links.

Now, this still brings me back to two points. First, why have previous Administrations allowed our trade to get so out of hand that other nations get all sorts of butthurt when and if we reciprocate with the same tariffs? This is fair to have our exports get taxed like a mother, but we can't do the same to them?

Furthermore, why are you all kinds of butthurt when we even the playing field? Yeah, I don't agree with trade wars as they may be, but sure as shooting, we were getting ****ed without any lube in a lot of countries. Germany included.

Now, to the second point I'll bump these two posts from earlier that still go unanswered:

I think the threat of pulling out of NATO is something the media is making up (shocking, I know) but the overall question he asks is largely ignored by the media.

That Reuters report said 35% of German oil and gas come from Russia. With that likely to go up in the future. How exactly can you defend yourself (in Germany's case) if Russia really wanted to apply the screws to them? I'm talking economically and militarily.

Trump is correct in bringing this up. NATO and Germany wants to talk about the possible threat from Russia. But they put themselves in a position to be beholden to the same nation that's threatening them.

Furthermore, you libs should be screeching to support Trump on this.

You want to hurt Russia? Do it economically. Europe buys their oil and gas from us or other non-aligned nations.

No profits for Russia, they suck again.

Gazprom. Owned by THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. Germany is putting hard currency right into the coffers of the very nation they feel is a threat. According to Reuters, 35% of their incoming energy is coming from Russia with that number to go up once this pipeline is complete.

Somehow this makes sense to you? No wait. Never mind. "But TRUMP!" you exclaim. Ignoring the fact he's right in calling them out.

"We want US protection from the country we've been feeding and arming by buying their exports."

You have a better explanation, now would be a good time.

 

[theFallGuy]

You really should. Do you know anything about Kasparov? Probably the greatest chess player ever. After retiring he became a political activist. He formed the United Civil Front movement whose primary goal is to preserve and protect democracy in Russia and then joined as a member of The Other Russia, a coalition opposing the administration and policies of Vladimir Putin. In 2008, he announced his intention to run as a candidate in that year's Presidential race but was barred from the Presidential ballot in various absurd ways by Putin. Kasparov is on record as saying that he believes that Putin has exercised leverage over Trump. He would know more about what Putin is capable of than any of us would. That's for sure.

okay, so what?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

:thud:

Unbelievable.

Don't care about an ex-Russian chess player's opinion of our dear leader.

 

[Weezer]

You really should. Do you know anything about Kasparov? Probably the greatest chess player ever. After retiring he became a political activist. He formed the United Civil Front movement whose primary goal is to preserve and protect democracy in Russia and then joined as a member of The Other Russia, a coalition opposing the administration and policies of Vladimir Putin. In 2008, he announced his intention to run as a candidate in that year's Presidential race but was barred from the Presidential ballot in various absurd ways by Putin. Kasparov is on record as saying that he believes that Putin has exercised leverage over Trump. He would know more about what Putin is capable of than any of us would. That's for sure.

You'll believe anyone who says what you want to hear. You don't require proof or evidence or any kind of true validity. As long as they fuel your Trump hate, you're all in.

 

[Vol0725]

USA bears 69% of NATO costs.
What a joke rip-off
How dare Trump call them out!

 

[AM64]

To me the big deal is liberals. If the Europeans had to divert money to things like their own defense, socialism would already have been outed as a fraud and a failure, and we wouldn't have to listen to our homegrown libs praising European socialism. It's also particularly irksome to hear about wonderful European industry when we paid to modernize it after they managed to blow it all away.

 

[Orangeburst]

NATO decides to construct a "bureaucratic" HQ a few years ago that costs over $1 billion dollars. A bureaucracy of generals and politicians that have no forces to lead and could not GAS as they live in opulence. All pageant for the masses, but no muscle.

Sound familiar?

 

[AM64]

Oh ok, didn’t know daddy’s could buy diploma’s, experience and knowledge for their children. Now I do, thanks for the enlightenment. :crazy:

The Ivy league schools offer extra special credit and enrollment opportunities for those who check certain demographic boxes and especially if daddy has chunked into a nice fat endowment ... like the Kennedys. And they aren't particular about the origin of the money as long as they get it.

 

[lawgator1]

If HRC was prez and taking a wrecking ball to NATO and Europe like this you guys would be calling her a traitor.

 

[Grand Vol]

If HRC was prez and taking a wrecking ball to NATO and Europe like this you guys would be calling her a traitor.

Are you trying the reverse psychology and pulling a "but Hillary!" on us?

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

What? We spent like 680 billion on that bs last year

 

[Vol0725]

What? We spent like 680 billion on that bs last year

Ask the libtards what other countries spent in comparison.

Crickets 🦗

 

[Grand Vol]

Trump is a disaster. Come on! Get his azz out of there now! What an embarrassment he and the entire administration are to this country. Its pathetic.

 

[Vol0725]

If HRC was prez and taking a wrecking ball to NATO and Europe like this you guys would be calling her a traitor.

She’d never have the guts, we all know that.
C’mon man.

 

[lawgator1]

Are the 5,000 flash drives in there ?

 

[AM64]

I agree completely but what do we do when using backdoor channels for years haven't resulted in increased military spending? Germany is, and always will be, the key figure for European security and yet the Bundeswehr is just a shell of its former self. A few years ago there were reports of soldiers using broom sticks for weapons and now news reports are coming out that out of 128 Eurofighters only 4 German planes are combat worthy that is totally unacceptable for such a country as Germany. I'm all for keeping our presence in Europe but if Western Europe refuses to meet their obligations than I don't mind cutting them loose and focusing on loyal American allies in the east and Baltic's.

‘They Will Die in Tallinn’: Estonia Girds for War With Russia - POLITICO Magazine

Why should we fund Western Europe's demise when we have people in Estonia who are willing to shoulder their responsibilities to the best of their abilities? One last point, I give Trump credit here, I saw a report the other day the US is exploring the possibility of basing troops out of Poland in the near future.

Let's not forget that the Europeans subsidized (and likely still do) Airbus as a means of undercutting our aircraft industry. Now that they are established by underhanded means, they certainty don't mind cutting into both US commercial and military aircraft sales. It's OK to shake hands with Europeans ... just be sure to check your pockets after you do.

 

[AM64]

Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.

No worse than having Trump sitting with a foreign visitor and the press corpse (intentional - very intentional) bashing Trump with stupid questions about stuff libs don't like - "uncalled for and not diplomatic at all."

 

[AM64]

Public pressure? You think the German people care what Trump says? An American President isn't going to be able to exert pressure through rhetoric on another foreign power strong enough to make them change policy.

This requires diplomacy which Trump seems incapable of.

Diplomacy is overrated - either that or the way US "diplomats" including presidents haven't known what the hell they are doing for decades.

 

[AM64]

I think the threat of pulling out of NATO is something the media is making up (shocking, I know) but the overall question he asks is largely ignored by the media.

That Reuters report said 35% of German oil and gas come from Russia. With that likely to go up in the future. How exactly can you defend yourself (in Germany's case) if Russia really wanted to apply the screws to them? I'm talking economically and militarily.

Trump is correct in bringing this up. NATO and Germany wants to talk about the possible threat from Russia. But they put themselves in a position to be beholden to the same nation that's threatening them.

Libs and globalists don't think strategically. They don't mind if China, as a potential enemy, builds all our stuff either. There's just something not right with people who willingly put the noose around their own necks.