Why slow it down????

#76
#76
BruinVol said:
Again you are making my point.

55-53 type games we are 17-15 in(less than 130 total points)

Is that really a winning % you are happy with??
Click to expand...

You're hand picking stats commonly associated with winning....no sh!t that when we score a lot of points we win more, I kind of thought that was common knowledge.

If you don't understand the difference in possessions per game and points per game then there's truly no reason to continue this discussion.
 
#79
#79
BruinVol said:
We lost because of the 1st half IMO. Clearly most here would agree with that.

Our defense was pretty good in the 1st half. Our offense was atrocious especially the first 10min which also happened to be when our defense was best
Click to expand...

So you're saying our defense plays better when our offense plays slower?
 
#80
#80
CAVol said:
Could probably go to the game stats tab and look through. I didn't take the time to do it since I'm at work. Statsheet is a free site. Kenpom might be able to do it more efficiently.
Click to expand...

I'm just curious what our record would be under Martin when possesions are over/under 70 a game.
 
#81
#81
bleedingTNorange said:
You're hand picking stats commonly associated with winning....no sh!t that when we score a lot of points we win more, I kind of thought that was common knowledge.

If you don't understand the difference in possessions per game and points per game then there's truly no reason to continue this discussion.
Click to expand...

So is your stance that the possessions per game isn't going to increase with points per game especially when considering we are talking about an 11pt difference in our games won and lost?
 
#82
#82
CAVol said:
Bumping myself so people can see the facts.
Click to expand...

So how do you explain Butler reaching the Final game back in 2011?
Averaged 63.6 pts a game
You remind me of the handicappers that think they
can invent a system with statistics but very seldom watch games.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
So you're saying our defense plays better when our offense plays slower?
Click to expand...

It's pretty obvious basketball knowledge that easier shots are achieved in a transition game. So absolutely that's true but at what cost.

That cost is lessening our chances of winning games substantially as seem here
 
Last edited:
#84
#84
docholiday said:
So how do you explain Butler reaching the Final game back in 2011?
Averaged 63.6 pts a game
You remind me of the handicappers that think they
can invent a system with statistics but very seldom watch games.
Click to expand...

Completely different group of athletes.


Also tourney games are clearly much more half court oriented.

We must find a way to get to that tourney and that's what the point of these numbers are here
 
#86
#86
bleedingTNorange said:
Lol so you're gonna count the final minute of free throws and bombing 3s as a normal flow of a game?

Ok.
Click to expand...


I am counting an entire half as an entire half.

If picking out bits and pieces is ok perhaps i should pick out the 10 or so minutes starting the game where we scored about as many points as our FB team did at mizzou
 
#87
#87
BruinVol said:
So is your stance that the possessions per game isn't going to increase with points per game especially when considering we are talking about an 11pt difference in our games won and lost?
Click to expand...

That's not what I said, I want to see a w/l for possessions per game above and under 70 per game. I think that would be more telling than simply w/l Ppg.
 
#88
#88
docholiday said:
So how do you explain Butler reaching the Final game back in 2011?
Averaged 63.6 pts a game
You remind me of the handicappers that think they
can invent a system with statistics but very seldom watch games.
Click to expand...

Easy dude don't come at me like that. People asked for possessions per game and points per game so I looked it up. I don't give a rats ass how fast or slow we play as long as we win.
 
#89
#89
BruinVol said:
It's pretty obvious basketball knowledge that easier shots are achieved in a transition game. So absolutely that's true but at what cost.

That cost is lessening our chances of winning games substantially as seem here
Click to expand...

I would be curious as to our W/L record over the last 2 years when we hold opponents to under 40% from the field.
 
#90
#90
BruinVol said:
I am counting an entire half as an entire half.

If picking out bits and pieces is ok perhaps i should pick out the 10 or so minutes starting the game where we scored about as many points as our FB team did at mizzou
Click to expand...

Like I said if you're gonna include the final minute as regular flow of the game that's foolish.

IMO 19 minutes is a decent sample size....in 19 minutes we played it your way and were outscored, plain and simple. We scored points sure, but they just scored more, and that's not the object of the game.
 
#92
#92
UneducatedGuess said:
Guess #1 (same as last year). If this team tries to control the tempo (slow) we will not make the NCAA

Guess #2 If this team does not make the NCAA tournament, Coach Martin will have other opportunities elsewhere
Click to expand...


Well those are 2 great guesses. I was referring to your shots at fans that you said don't know good basketball when they see it, which was a ridiculous comment.
 
#93
#93
BruinVol said:
Agreed.


But maybe more importantly how fg% for effects our fg% against
Click to expand...

That's what I was basically getting at. Are we better when we play defense the way Martin wants, or when we open up the O but hurt our defense as a result?

Would be interesting.
 
#95
#95
bleedingTNorange said:
That's what I was basically getting at. Are we better when we play defense the way Martin wants, or when we open up the O but hurt our defense as a result?

Would be interesting.
Click to expand...

Here's a little more info. Later tonight I will look more in depth. As you can tell I am a numbers guy.

Last year in our losses our opponents shot these % for the game.

35
36
36
41
41
42
43
46
48
50
50
56

Not exactly sure what that says but thats alot of losses with very low FG % given up IMO
 
Last edited:
#97
#97
Found the possessions numbers Bruin....you owe MC a donut.

Over the last 2 years when we have LESS THAN 70 POSSESSIONS IN A GAME

We are: 34-21 winning percentage of 62%


Over the last 2 years when we have MORE THAN 70 POSSESSIONS IN A GAME

We are: 5-6 winning percentage of 45%
 
#98
#98
bleedingTNorange said:
Found the possessions numbers Bruin....you owe MC a donut.

Over the last 2 years when we have LESS THAN 70 POSSESSIONS IN A GAME

We are: 34-21 winning percentage of 62%


Over the last 2 years when we have MORE THAN 70 POSSESSIONS IN A GAME

We are: 5-6 winning percentage of 45%
Click to expand...

Can you find what it is at 65 or maybe 67??

That's 11 games. compare the 28 games and its apples to apples
 
Last edited:
#99
#99
From looking at the Kenpom numbers, it appears to be non-conclusive on tempo. Martin loses games when possessions are in the 50s, and he wins the same amount it looks like. Conversely, he wins some games with 70+ possessions, and loses the same amount.
 
#100
#100
MemphisCanes said:
From looking at the Kenpom numbers, it appears to be non-conclusive on tempo. Martin loses games when possessions are in the 50s, and he wins the same amount it looks like. Conversely, he wins some games with 70+ possessions, and loses the same amount.
Click to expand...

What about 65-70??? 60-65???
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top