Why slow it down????

[MemphisCanes]

Can you find what it is at 65 or maybe 67??

That's 11 games. compare the 28 games and its apples to apples

Just look at average possessions in wins and average possessions in losses.

That should be pretty telling.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Here's a little more info. Later tonight I will look more in depth. As you can tell I am a numbers guy.

Last year in our losses our opponents shot these % for the game.

35
36
36
41
41
42
43
46
48
50
50
56

Not exactly sure what that says but thats alot of losses with very low FG % given up IMO

That's an average of 44% fg in our losses, that's horrible defense by Martin's standards. He wants opponents to shoot under 40% from the field, that's the goal he sets.

In game we hold our opponents to under 40% shooting we are 22-5.

 

[BruinVol]

That's an average of 44% fg in our losses, that's horrible defense by Martin's standards. He wants opponents to shoot under 40% from the field, that's the goal he sets.

In game we hold our opponents to under 40% shooting we are 22-5.

We lost as many games under 40 as we did 50 and over. Seems like a fairly irrelevant stat to me

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Can you find what it is at 65 or maybe 67??

That's 11 games. compare the 28 games and its apples to apples

Huh? We average about 65 a game under Martin, so clearly that's around where he wants the number.

 

[BruinVol]

Just look at average possessions in wins and average possessions in losses.

That should be pretty telling.

Where can that be found??

 

[bleedingTNorange]

From looking at the Kenpom numbers, it appears to be non-conclusive on tempo. Martin loses games when possessions are in the 50s, and he wins the same amount it looks like. Conversely, he wins some games with 70+ possessions, and loses the same amount.

Pretty much what I've been saying...W/L are typically more directly related to how we play defense than offense .

 

[BruinVol]

Huh? We average about 65 a game under Martin, so clearly that's around where he wants the number.

65 possessions was what I am asking

 

[BruinVol]

Pretty much what I've been saying...W/L are typically more directly related to how we play defense than offense .

Same record in the 50's as in the 70's is what he is saying.

So it seems to me possessions in the 60's is going to be where we win at a higher clip.

Which I am willing to bet puts our games into the 70's points wise.

 

[MemphisCanes]

What about 65-70??? 60-65???

Okay, so the average amount of possessions in the NCAA in 2012 and 2013 was roughly 66. I left out OT games because they didn't fit.

In games of 66 or less posessions:

2012- 11 win; 5 losses.
2013- 17 wins; 8 losses.
Total- 28 wins; 13 losses.

In games of more than 66 possessions:

2012- 7 wins; 7 losses.
2013- 3 wins; 5 losses.
Total- 10 wins; 12 losses.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

We lost as many games under 40 as we did 50 and over. Seems like a fairly irrelevant stat to me

What?

How's that irrelevant?

The number is 40%, why are you changing it to fit what you want?

The numbers are clear, hold opponents under 40% and we are damn near unbeatable. Let them shoot over 40% and we are probably closer to .500

 

[BruinVol]

Pretty much what I've been saying...W/L are typically more directly related to how we play defense than offense .

Disagree.


Those % I posted with last year losses here is our fg% for those same games.

26
28
32
32
37
38
38
40
43
43
46
49


Clearly our offense was awful in those loses

 

[bleedingTNorange]

65 possessions was what I am asking

That's what we average, 66 the year before...so if you're claiming we need to play more uptempo why would you use the number we usually average.

You started off this thread by harping on scoring more than 70 a game, if you use our average points per possession we would have to have about 69 possessions a game to reach 70+ points.

 

[BruinVol]

Okay, so the average amount of possessions in the NCAA in 2012 and 2013 was roughly 66. I left out OT games because they didn't fit.

In games of 66 or less posessions:

2012- 8 win; 5 losses.
2013- 17 wins; 8 losses.
Total- 25 wins; 12 losses.

In games of more than 66 possessions:

2012- 9 wins; 7 losses.
2013- 3 wins; 5 losses.
Total- 12 wins; 12 losses.

Can you post the record from 60-70?

Thanks

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Same record in the 50's as in the 70's is what he is saying.

So it seems to me possessions in the 60's is going to be where we win at a higher clip.

Which I am willing to bet puts our games into the 70's points wise.

No you're wrong, we barely average 1 point a possession.

 

[MemphisCanes]

Can you post the record from 60-70?

Thanks

I'm not sure what the record in games with 60-70 possessions is supposed to show.

 

[BruinVol]

No you're wrong, we barely average 1 point a possession.

Without having an apples to apples comparison it's impossible to tell the numbers.

Perhaps someone can post the possessions for each game. That's what we need.

 

[BruinVol]

I'm not sure what the record in games with 60-70 possessions is supposed to show.

Can you access it??

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Okay, so the average amount of possessions in the NCAA in 2012 and 2013 was roughly 66. I left out OT games because they didn't fit.

In games of 66 or less posessions:

2012- 11 win; 5 losses.
2013- 17 wins; 8 losses.
Total- 28 wins; 13 losses.

In games of more than 66 possessions:

2012- 7 wins; 7 losses.
2013- 3 wins; 5 losses.
Total- 10 wins; 12 losses.

Lol

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Disagree.


Those % I posted with last year losses here is our fg% for those same games.

26
28
32
32
37
38
38
40
43
43
46
49


Clearly our offense was awful in those loses

You're further proving my point, that's exactly what I said. That our defense playing well has more impact than our offense playing well.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Can you post the record from 60-70?

Thanks

Just stop bruin

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Without having an apples to apples comparison it's impossible to tell the numbers.

Perhaps someone can post the possessions for each game. That's what we need.

Lmao, the numbers don't say what you want so you just keep on trying lol

 

[Spartacavolus]

And some of us don't need a stat to tell us that slowing it down and running a slow halfcourt offense cost us a W against Xavier.
You can't put a stat on how many more games would've been won had we played at pace more often last year. Guess what. It was what, 8 games in last year before he picked up the pace and went on a tear. Kenny Hall sits. Things look good. Then it gets tight and he cm puckers up, reverting back to early season gameplans. Slows it down. Then Kenny hall is back getting minutes and your team shockingly loses and plays terribly.
We went from scoring 40+ to 80+ for several games. You guys think it was because we ran the motion offense better?
Common sense should prevail.

 

[BruinVol]

You're further proving my point, that's exactly what I said. That our defense playing well has more impact than our offense playing well.

Huh???


We shot terrible and lost. Clearly offense was the biggest reason we lost those games if FG % is your guide.

We gave up 43% per your math

And shot 38% in those games.

Clearly 38% is losing basketball

 

[MemphisCanes]

Can you access it??

I'll do a quick calculation:

2012 Games with 59 or fewer possessions:

1 win-2 losses.

2013 Games with 59 or fewer possessions:

3 wins-4 losses.

2012 games 70 or more possessions:

4 wins- 3 losses.

2013 games with 70 or more possessions:

1 win- 3 losses.

Therefore, 2012 games in 60-69 possessions:

14-10.

2013 games in 60-69 possessions:

16-6.

 

[BruinVol]

I'll do a quick calculation:

2012 Games with 59 or fewer possessions:

1 win-2 losses.

2013 Games with 59 or fewer possessions:

3 wins-4 losses.

2012 games 70 or more possessions:

4 wins- 3 losses.

2013 games with 70 or more possessions:

1 win- 3 losses.

Therefore, 2012 games in 60-69 possessions:

14-10.

2013 games in 60-69 possessions:

16-6.

So 30-16 when between 60-70.


One more for me good sir.

65-70????