Why Tennessee will have a good season this year

#51
#51
hatvol96 said:
You mean the 100 yard games against the likes of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Memphis, and a pathetic Notre Dame defense? How many yards did he post against UGA and Alabama? Arain Foster is a plowhorse. Jam is a thoroughbred. It's that simple.
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Dang it, Hat!!!! You beat me to the punch!
 
#52
#52
Vol423 said:
Actually, I found the stats quoted for #3 and #4 in his post largely pointless. Those teams that are terrible in the stats of yards per point and close losses post the SAME RECORD or better approximately 73% of the time? Who cares? Is it the SAME or is it better? Breaking down the 73% into the components of SAME record versus better record would make these stats somewhat meaningful. As these stats are currently presented, they lend as much weight to a hypothesis that we'll be below .500 again this year as they lend to a hypothesis that our record will be better than last year. They also don't quantify how much better of a record those teams that improved had in the subsequent year. If UT improves its 2006 record by 1 game over their record in 2005, Fulmer will still get canned at the end of the season.
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It varies, and the stats aren't completely pointless. Remember, I said its all on paper, and could be meaningless.

However, a good example that helps my cause is Penn State was -2 in close games in 2004, and went 11-1 in 2005. In 2002, Notre Dame was +5 in close games, finishing 10-2, and finished 5-7 in 2003. Some big changes can happen, some others can be small.

I'm confident in saying that UT will rebound from 5-6 to 9-3 or better.
 
#53
#53
hatvol96 said:
You mean the 100 yard games against the likes of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Memphis, and a pathetic Notre Dame defense? How many yards did he post against UGA and Alabama? Arain Foster is a plowhorse. Jam is a thoroughbred. It's that simple.
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He would have had over 100 if he played the whole Bama game. We weren't even moving the ball until he came in. I don't know how he would've done against UGA, guess we'll find out this year.
 
#55
#55
sjt18 said:
Other than subjective comparisons, you can't compare those two defenses. One had an offense that didn't put them in a bind all the time. The other didn't.
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What bind did the offense put the great '05 defense in against Vanderbilt? Those guys were good. Nothing more, nothing less. The 1990 defense was better than those guys. They benefitted from playing a bunch of bad offenses. Even at that, they cost the team at least three games with their inability to make a clutch stop. Overrated, one and all.
 
#56
#56
For the love of God, can we chat in one thread without talking about Fulmer maybe or maybe not being fired?
 
#57
#57
VolinArizona said:
It varies, and the stats aren't completely pointless. Remember, I said its all on paper, and could be meaningless.

However, a good example that helps my cause is Penn State was -2 in close games in 2004, and went 11-1 in 2005. In 2002, Notre Dame was +5 in close games, finishing 10-2, and finished 5-7 in 2003. Some big changes can happen, some others can be small.

I'm confident in saying that UT will rebound from 5-6 to 9-3 or better.
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Citing a couple of specific examples doesn't really serve the same purpose as citing the stats that you originally cited and for which I was requesting more detail. However, I also realize that the level of detail that I was looking for is likely not readily available.

I see little to no shot for UT to finish at 9-3 or better this season.
 
#59
#59
hatvol96 said:
You mean the 100 yard games against the likes of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Memphis, and a pathetic Notre Dame defense? How many yards did he post against UGA and Alabama? Arain Foster is a plowhorse. Jam is a thoroughbred. It's that simple.
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Is there anyone on the team that you like Hat??
 
#61
#61
hatvol96 said:
You mean the 100 yard games against the likes of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Memphis, and a pathetic Notre Dame defense? How many yards did he post against UGA and Alabama? Arain Foster is a plowhorse. Jam is a thoroughbred. It's that simple.
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He only ran against the teams that he faced. Foster is by no means a plow horse! Are you crazy? And Jamal did have a MUCH better surrounding cast and that cannot be denied. We will find out this year how good AF is. But I think it is dierespectful to call the kid a plow horse when he only started what, 5 games and only ran his butt off.
That is not a knock on Lewis in any shape.
 
#62
#62
Vol423 said:
Foster wasn't lighting up top quality defenses in those games. .
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In the year mentioned, Syracuse was 8-4 and allowed 300 points. To put that in perspective, UT's highest season for points allowed was the 13 game season of 2004 when they allowed 295.

Auburn in 98 was 3-8.

IOW's, the teams Foster lit up were every bit as much competition as the ones Jamal "carried" UT against.
 
#63
#63
Vol423 said:
Citing a couple of specific examples doesn't really serve the same purpose as citing the stats that you originally cited and for which I was requesting more detail. However, I also realize that the level of detail that I was looking for is likely not readily available.

I see little to no shot for UT to finish at 9-3 or better this season.
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i think that's quite a negative way of looking at it.
 
#64
#64
checkerboard_charly said:
If we lose 8 maybe. But you said if we win just one more than last year he would be fired. Wrong wrong wrong.
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Wrong...in YOUR opinion. You also just stated YOUR opinion that UT could lose 9 games this season and Fulmer still wouldn't be fired. I wonder which one of us most posters here would consider to be closer to reality in the opinions that we've stated.
 
#65
#65
VolBeef88 said:
He only ran against the teams that he faced. Foster is by no means a plow horse! Are you crazy? And Jamal did have a MUCH better surrounding cast and that cannot be denied. We will find out this year how good AF is. But I think it is dierespectful to call the kid a plow horse when he only started what, 5 games and only ran his butt off.
That is not a knock on Lewis in any shape.
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I'm not knocking Foster. James Stewart was a plowhorse. Johnnie Jones was a plowhorse. I think Foster will be a very productive back. However, comparing him to one of the two most talented back to ever wear a Tennessee uniform is doing the young man a disservice.
 
#66
#66
Arian may have caught some teams by surprise, but he is no pushover. He had 2 0r 3 50+ runs after the catch called back b/c of holding. He reminds me of Titans RB Chris Brown. He had pretty much one bad play last year and that was the fumble against USC. Why are we questioning his play at all??
 
#67
#67
checkerboard_charly said:
Im sorry but CPF will not get fired unless we lose 10 games. He has done to much for Hamilton to just up and fire him after two off seasons. 3 in a row yes. But 2, i dont see it.
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Read this 423. Unless we lose 10 games. That means that if we lose 10 games he will be fired.

Why the hell does it matter anyway? Lets just go undefeated and smash all this talk.
 
#68
#68
hatvol96 said:
I'm not knocking Foster. James Stewart was a plowhorse. Johnnie Jones was a plowhorse. I think Foster will be a very productive back. However, comparing him to one of the two most talented back to ever wear a Tennessee uniform is doing the young man a disservice.
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Calling a RB a plow horse is infact a knock. No matter how slice it. I didn't say and won't say he is or isn't a good as JL. I think we need to wait and see. I hope he is better.
 
#69
#69
Before anyone jumps off too deep on Foster. I don't think he is better than Lewis. My point is that the comparison isn't fair at this point.

In fact, I think that both of the two guys behind him are better than him and maybe Williams too. IF Hardesty can stay healthy, he could be very good. Coker too though.
 
#70
#70
hatvol96 said:
I'm not knocking Foster. James Stewart was a plowhorse. Johnnie Jones was a plowhorse. I think Foster will be a very productive back. However, comparing him to one of the two most talented back to ever wear a Tennessee uniform is doing the young man a disservice.
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After his freshman season Hat, he seemed to pack it in and glide to the NFL.
 
#71
#71
sjt18 said:
In the year mentioned, Syracuse was 8-4 and allowed 300 points. To put that in perspective, UT's highest season for points allowed was the 13 game season of 2004 when they allowed 295.

Auburn in 98 was 3-8.

IOW's, the teams Foster lit up were every bit as much competition as the ones Jamal "carried" UT against.
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Syracuse played in a BCS bowl in '98 and won at Michigan. Exactly who did Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Memphis beat? Which major bowl did those teams play in? I want you to send me a videotape of those games because I some how missed them. Foster didn't even face a defense as good as the '97 Georgia D. Take a look at Jam's numbers against them.
 
#72
#72
checkerboard_charly said:
Arian may have caught some teams by surprise, but he is no pushover. He had 2 0r 3 50+ runs after the catch called back b/c of holding. He reminds me of Titans RB Chris Brown. He had pretty much one bad play last year and that was the fumble against USC. Why are we questioning his play at all??
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I think it has something to do with several of us not wanting to crown the kid as the savior of UT football just because he posted some nice stats against the perennial cellar dwellers of the conference. If he proves that he can produce great stats against the elite teams in the conference, then I'll admit that he's a really talented back. Posting great stats against Memphis, Kentucky and Vanderbilt doesn't prove anything.
 
#73
#73
sjt18 said:
Before anyone jumps off too deep on Foster. I don't think he is better than Lewis. My point is that the comparison isn't fair at this point.

In fact, I think that both of the two guys behind him are better than him and maybe Williams too. IF Hardesty can stay healthy, he could be very good. Coker too though.
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Yeah i hope all the guys behind Foster are better. That would be great for us Vol fans.
 
#75
#75
Vol423 said:
I think it has something to do with several of us not wanting to crown the kid as the savior of UT football just because he posted some nice stats against the perennial cellar dwellers of the conference. If he proves that he can produce great stats against the elite teams in the conference, then I'll admit that he's a really talented back. Posting great stats against Memphis, Kentucky and Vanderbilt doesn't prove anything.
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Yeah but it doesnt hurt either. U gotta play good against whoever you are playing at the time. Right??
 
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