Why Won't The US Fight Russia?

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Even more than the Cuban Missile crisis, probably the closest we ever came to nuclear holocaust during the Cold War.

1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident

... and more on the guy who trusted his gut instincts, and basically saved the world.

Stanislav Petrov: The man who may have saved the world

Worth noting that this ^^^^ occurred right after the Soviets had mistakenly shot down a Korean airliner that had departed from JFK International Airport. Tensions were already high ...

... and then NATO carried on with the Able Archer 83 simulation anyway in November, which the Soviets considered provocative. It wasn't covered this way, but '83 was a dangerous year.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The easy answer is that they have nukes. Well. So do we and ours are probably in far better shape than their nuclear arsenal. I feel ashamed of this country right now. We encourage people to support a hopeless resistance in the name of principles that we claim to hold dear and we won't support them with our might. Unless the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq depleted our own arsenal to the point that we can't wage war, I feel like we should be able to beat the hell out the Russian army. After WWII we said never again. It's happening again and we're really not doing anything. I don't get it.
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I have a very simple home project that might help you understand why . Go to your bathroom , take an old beat up , out of date tube of toothpaste and squeeze all of it out in the sink .. then try to put it back into the tube with the fingers you used to squeeze it out with .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even more than the Cuban Missile crisis, probably the closest we ever came to nuclear holocaust during the Cold War.

1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident

... and more on the guy who trusted his gut instincts, and basically saved the world.

Stanislav Petrov: The man who may have saved the world

Worth noting that this ^^^^ occurred right after the Soviets had mistakenly shot down a Korean airliner that had departed from JFK International Airport. Tensions were already high ...

... and then NATO carried on with the Able Archer 83 simulation anyway in November, which the Soviets considered provocative. It wasn't covered this way, but '83 was a dangerous year.
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I don't think people understand how close we came to an accidental nuclear strike here. All over some October high clouds over the midwest that the Russian missile detect equipment kept alarming over.
 
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If you are interested, these are links to good background info on Able Archer. NATO wasn't just poking the bear in 1983. They were beating it over the head with a 2x4.

The World Almost Ended One Week in 1983

Able Archer 83: the Nato war-game that nearly spelled nuclear disaster

ABLE ARCHER at 35: Lessons of the 1983 War Scare - Foreign Policy Research Institute

The Able Archer 83 Sourcebook | National Security Archive

Able Archer 83: The Secret History

If you think that NATO is a little gun shy now... history gives some good reasons why that might be for the best.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I saw it on TV when it was originally broadcast and I am old enough to have done the drills in elementary school and can still remember the old civil defense shelter signs in various places downtown Nashville. So far, we’re the only country to use nuclear weapons. I doubt it happens again until someone in the middle east gets their hands on one..
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I'm really surprised Pakistan hasn't used them on India or they didn't have any smuggled out when Bin Laden was living there...
 
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If nuclear weapons were not a thing, NATO would’ve already pushed Russia out of Ukraine. Nukes are the ultimate deterrent…even to America.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Yep. China and Russia’s defense budgets aren’t even half of what the US spends. Don’t forget our Black Budget.
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Lets talk about that. How much of our budget actually goes into military equipment and how much of that budget goes to waste, fraud and abuse? And of that money that we do spend on real world equipment, how much of that is at a ridiculous mark-up on the price tag?

You see, its all fun and games when we are bombing sand dunes and caves, but when we have to engage with a military peer, you are beginning to see some cracks in the armor.

I'm going to keep saying it until people gradually begin to see the truth... the people running this country are the enemies of America and of mankind. They don't give a damn about us.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lets talk about that. How much of our budget actually goes into military equipment and how much of that budget goes to waste, fraud and abuse? And of that money that we do spend on real world equipment, how much of that is at a ridiculous mark-up on the price tag?

You see, its all fun and games when we are bombing sand dunes and caves, but when we have to engage with a military peer, you begin to see some cracks in the armor.

I'm going to keep saying it until people gradually begin to see the truth... the people running this country are the enemies of America and of mankind. They don't give a damn about us.
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We are going to do what's right, and we are going to do it the hard way. The rest of you can go to hell.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not sure of that... but one of my favorite stories from that Cold War period of 1983, was when an 11 year old American girl sent a letter to Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov where she told him that she was afraid that there would be a nuclear war... and somehow he actually received it. He wrote her back and invited her and her family to Moscow.... just because he wanted to alleviate her concerns. That little girl became a huge star and did Johnny Carson and Letterman. For the life of me I can't remember her name.

Anyway, can you imagine such a thing happening now? In the cynical world we live in now, that sounds corny and ridiculous.
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Samantha Smith

She died just a few years later.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The easy answer is that they have nukes. Well. So do we and ours are probably in far better shape than their nuclear arsenal. I feel ashamed of this country right now. We encourage people to support a hopeless resistance in the name of principles that we claim to hold dear and we won't support them with our might. Unless the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq depleted our own arsenal to the point that we can't wage war, I feel like we should be able to beat the hell out the Russian army. After WWII we said never again. It's happening again and we're really not doing anything. I don't get it.
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You do realize who is the president don't you?
 
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To answer OP:

1. Fear of Nuclear War
2. Even if there isn't a Nuclear War, not enough public support to fight conventional war for Ukraine

It is scary similar to WW2 aggression by Hitler but there is one major difference, Ukraine is putting up a great fight because the Russian Army is disinterested and incompetent. A far cry from the Nazi War Machine of 1939 which was a well oiled and dangerous machine.
 
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I know this is the political forum, but I was really positing this in as apolitical a form as possible. Other than a couple of fringe congresspeople, I don't hear anyone on either side saying what I think many, if not most of us are thinking, which is why in the hell haven't we fried the 40-mile long column and taken control of the airspace.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I know this is the political forum, but I was really positing this in as apolitical a form as possible. Other than a couple of fringe congresspeople, I don't hear anyone on either side saying what I think many, if not most of us are thinking, which is why in the hell haven't we fried the 40-mile long column and taken control of the airspace.
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Bc that would put us, meaning our troops, in direct combat with Russia. That's means war. And, as sad as it is to say, we don't have the stomach for a war with russia over Ukraine. We will do everything up to that point. But that's the line in the sand. We will make it as painful as possible for Putin. Support the insurgencey and prop up the overthrown government when it gets to that.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I know this is the political forum, but I was really positing this in as apolitical a form as possible. Other than a couple of fringe congresspeople, I don't hear anyone on either side saying what I think many, if not most of us are thinking, which is why in the hell haven't we fried the 40-mile long column and taken control of the airspace.
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If the Ukrainians were able to and if they were winning the way the media has lead many to believe, that would be a non-issue. It would have been dealt with.

Maybe you need to reevaluate the narrative being given to you.
 
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