Will the real Trayvon Martin please stand up?

#379
#379
utvolpj said:
AFL-CIO Exec | Right-Wing Policies | Stand Your Ground | Trayvon Martin | The Daily Caller
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Good stuff here:

“It is disturbing to watch some groups try to turn this tragedy into political gain for issues having nothing to do with Trayvon Martin or the truth. Blaming those who were not involved in this tragic event – or the laws that might apply to it – will not serve the cause of justice,” said Buss. She added, “This dishonest dialogue is political opportunism at its worst.”

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#381
#381
hndog609 said:
Do you think it's literally impossible for people (on a macro scale) to be able to, with any consistency, put rationality ahead of emotion?
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On a macro scale, no way. We are social creatures in a society, we act completely different in social situations than on our own.

I believe, like many great thinkers of the past, that championing our faculty of reason over our innate emotions is the highest virtue one ought to attempt to master. Then again my moral compass is derived from Meditations by Marcus Aurelius (my favorite book).

hndog609 said:
Is it truly in our nature?
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Hobbs addressed this from an individual perspective within nature as a whole.

hndog609 said:
This case has brought out opinions where, with no ambiguity whatsoever, people WANT to believe something (to the point of wishing ill on others) regardless of whether there is any evidence to support their contention or not.
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I completely agree. It is nauseating to read these threads. People see what they want to see by cherry picking third-hand information. Much like the Casey Anthony debacle.

This would be a perfectly acceptable conversation if Zimmerman was on trial. We could debate the court-admissible facts. Debating media perpetuated speculations is asinine.
 
#382
#382
dduncan4163 said:
So your saying he stopped bleeding the moment he got to his feet?
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you're

Reportedly the bleeding was stopped by paramedics while Zimmerman was in the back of a squad car on the scene, waiting to be transported to the police station.




KiffinKiller said:
it is known. this man killed gary coleman.
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What happened to Trayvon the 13 year old, apparently clean cut youngster, in the four years in which he grew to be 17, evidently wanna be gansta?

Other than lakidaislical, irresponsible parenting, (as mentioned by Bill Cosby at an NCAA convention), could it be a culture that lauds gansta rap, violence, denegration of women and promotes the young tough guy image?




PKT_VOL said:
You guys are bickering about ambiguous perspectives perpetuated via the media. Does anybody see the insanity with this?
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This is the most extensive coverage I've seen on any one particular site:

Trayvon Martin case: He was suspended three times and caught with 'burglary tool' | Mail Online

The national attention from perennial leaders of the black community, Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson is not welcome, according to C.L. Bryant, the former head of the NAACP in Garland, Texas.

'His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,' the conservative pastor told the Daily Caller.

He said they were 'acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.
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Ms Fulton, Trayvon's mother, filed applications with the U.S. Trademark and Patent Office to seek ownership of the phrases 'I Am Trayvon' and 'Justice for Trayvon’ which supporters have adopted as rallying cries.
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Since police had no way of identifying Trayvon, other than a package of skittles, they held his body and it was three days before his mother filed a missing person's report.

This story reminds me of a few years ago a friend of mine was walking home, about two city blocks, from a sports bar and a young black man jumped him from the bushes in an attempt at strong armed robbery.

Wrong guy, although he looked like a frail old man, this guy had served in Vietnam as a Green Beret LRR and had performed several solo long range reconasaince missions into the DMZ and Laos.

After a brief struggle the would be robber was flat on his back, his would be victim had his throat gripped and the other hand cocked to drive the boy's nose up into his brain while simultaniously ripping out his esophagus.

He caught himself before delivering the coup de gras, picked the boy up by his lapels, reached into his pocket, pulled out his hankerchief, wiped the blood from his face and said; 'son, you need to find another line of work, you just ain't cut out to be a strong arm robber.'

He let the boy (that he thought couldn't have been more than 16), go and didn't even call the police.

But now I wonder, what if he had killed the kid, would the story have been twisted into a scenario where he would have been the racist criminal?

At any rate he said before he really hurting the kid; 'I realized in that moment, I had already killed more men than I ever had wanted to in one lifetime.'
 
#384
#384
I would assume that they have investigated whoever responded a far as EMTs at the scene. That would probably answer the question if whether our not Zimmerman was injured instead of trying to come to that conclusion from a horribly unfocused camera. Might be why the guy hadn't been charged yet, however I don't see how this doesn't go to trial now after the racial backlash.
 
#386
#386
I don't understand how it can be self defense if YOU create the situation you are in. If he had stayed in his car and just called the police, this wouldn't have happenned. Is it murder? I don't know, but I would think there's at least enough there for a manslaughter charge. Charge him, book him, let him make bail and you take away the foundation of the opposing arguement. After that, it's just a matter of due process. Either the D.A. makes a case and takes it to trial, a plea bargain is struck, or charges are dropped due to inufficient evidence. If this had been done to begin with, thay may have avoided some of the circus. I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm missing something, but couldn't this have been done in the very beginning? With all the media attention it's garnered, how do they proceed without a tainted jury pool? Seems to me this has been poorly handled from the beginning.
 
#387
#387
Just out of curiosity, is gs really as crazy as he seems or is it an act?
 
#388
#388
Weezer said:
Just out of curiosity, is gs really as crazy as he seems or is it an act?
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Both. He probably believes some of his dumb ****, but if you are trying to save the world from Barack Obama, then why start on a politics forum for a Tennessee Volunteer message board?
 
#390
#390
Weezer said:
Just out of curiosity, is gs really as crazy as he seems or is it an act?
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I don't think so. I think he just enjoys a good argument.

On the other hand if Jesus returned tomorrow and told the world he supports Universal Healthcare I bet GS would convert to Islam.
 
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#391
dduncan4163 said:
I don't think so. I think he just enjoys a good argument.

On the other hand if Jesus returned tomorrow and told the world he supports Universal Healthcare I bet GS would convert to Islam.
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Just busting your chops GS. Honestly I really enjoy having you on the boards. You keep the Politics threads from becoming stale.
 
#397
#397
possumslayer said:
still don't have the evidence ?
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There were 8 breakin burglaries, 7 cases of thefts (not sure if those involved robbery) and 1 shooting in the immediate neighborhood during the previous 12 months.





dduncan4163 said:
I don't think so. I think he just enjoys a good argument.

On the other hand if Jesus returned tomorrow and told the world he supports Universal Healthcare I bet GS would convert to Islam.
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Pretty funny. :eek:lol:

I remember a guy about ten years ago posting on another board; "I wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ himself if he had a D next to his name on the ballot.

Since you brought up Obamacare, this toon fits perfectly here:

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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Yep. You called it, gs. He deserved to get stalked and shot down. Good job, Hitler.
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And libtards try to dall me crazy, I said nothing of the kind.

Maybe he shouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman.

See you have joined the lynch mob, no surprise.

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Lynch mobs have been a democrat tactic since the 1840s.

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#398
#398
Oh hell just saw someone walking down my street. Its 4am here and I didn't recognize who it was. Let me go get my 357 and see what he's up too. He is walking normal but I just saw him glance over at my neighbors house. Not in my neighborhood buddy. Time for me to go stop this possible criminal before he does anymore evil.

EXCELSIOR.....
 
#400
#400
gsvol said:
This story reminds me of a few years ago a friend of mine was walking home, about two city blocks, from a sports bar and a young black man jumped him from the bushes in an attempt at strong armed robbery.

Wrong guy, although he looked like a frail old man, this guy had served in Vietnam as a Green Beret LRR and had performed several solo long range reconasaince missions into the DMZ and Laos.

After a brief struggle the would be robber was flat on his back, his would be victim had his throat gripped and the other hand cocked to drive the boy's nose up into his brain while simultaniously ripping out his esophagus.

He caught himself before delivering the coup de gras, picked the boy up by his lapels, reached into his pocket, pulled out his hankerchief, wiped the blood from his face and said; 'son, you need to find another line of work, you just ain't cut out to be a strong arm robber.'

He let the boy (that he thought couldn't have been more than 16), go and didn't even call the police.

But now I wonder, what if he had killed the kid, would the story have been twisted into a scenario where he would have been the racist criminal?

At any rate he said before he really hurting the kid; 'I realized in that moment, I had already killed more men than I ever had wanted to in one lifetime.'
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That's a great story. Hopefully it scared the boy straight. I have read other stories of would be robbers accidentally picking special force guys. The ending was not pretty at all. The medical issues of the robber was a very robust paragraph. Very funny though.
 
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