NorthDallas40
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Not at all. But the key word is āpeopleā. Iām ok with taking away this phantom freedom thatās itās ok to impose your opinions on everyone and change the way they live because of those opinions. Bidenās āopinionā donāt mean chit to me. Neither does BLMs or Antifas. Lori Lighfoots āopinionsā on the way someone should live has made Chicago a war zone. Should we listen to her?Yet youāre ok with taking away freedom from other people.
I identify as vaccinated this week, my pronouns are vaxx she, vaxxed her and fully vaccinated they, since we get to choose who we are in this day and age.My wife works for a global leader in their industry. Wednesday, she received an email encouraging all employees to wear purple in support for LGBTQ+ co workers. Never mind all of the employees work from home and no one sees what they wear. Itās all āabout being supportive of each other. ā
Then Thursday, she received a email from the same HR dept saying they have 6 weeks to get vaxxed or they will be terminated. This stupid company HQ doesnāt realize they are in an industry right now where ātalent is in demandā. This company wrote about it only 11 months ago. Unlike hospitals where graduates of nursing schools occur routinely, this industry must have experienced & talented people. So much for supporting each other.
It is crazy that companies let a guy who has never worked in private sector for last 50+ years, if ever, dictate to them what to do.
They have completely sold out. They are the second engine in that train. Catholic health services has signed on.That just sounds crazy as hell. They are originated from aborted fetal tissue. Period. To somebody hard over on usage of that tissue regardless how many times itās been harvested like a sour dough loaf itās still originated from that original tissue. If the Vatican sided with the tissue not being fetal in origin then they sold out.
U S C VII doesnāt specify all the hoops the EO wants us to jump through. I thought there was a county wide injunction as to the constitutionality and loss on merits of the EO?I donāt honestly know how they can challenge any religious exemption request.
āI claim an exemption based on religious groundsā
āOh so your religion is against vaccines? Could you explain that to the company representative Father Fauci?ā
āNo I canāt but my attorney certainly canā
I do believe there are now country wide injunctions on both the federal contractor and private employer over 100 employee overreach BS mandates until they at least get ruled on by a federal court.U S C VII doesnāt specify all the hoops the EO wants us to jump through. I thought there was a county wide injunction as to the constitutionality and loss on merits of the EO?
Thatās great, I donāt use any of those products.30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/11/NationwideInjunction.pdfI do believe there are now country wide injunctions on both the federal contractor and private employer over 100 employee overreach BS mandates until they at least get ruled on by a federal court.
Just trying to see what your personal views on that subject are.I've never said anyone should be forced and that's not what you asked. Seems you're not quite sure where you're headed with this argument
We are also having this conversation because many businesses and organizations are trying to mandate vaccinations. Vaccine mandates have also become highly politicized. Therefore, management in companies could be forcing their political beliefs onto others.I don't think you see the point they are arguing. The companies should be able to set whatever rules for employment they want. They're not making to case for mandatory vaccinations.
It's a subtle distinction in the conversation.
Not at all. But the key word is āpeopleā. Iām ok with taking away this phantom freedom thatās itās ok to impose your opinions on everyone and change the way they live because of those opinions. Bidenās āopinionā donāt mean chit to me. Neither does BLMs or Antifas. Lori Lighfoots āopinionsā on the way someone should live has made Chicago a war zone. Should we listen to her?
Look. I understand what youāre saying and I would agree pre mandate. However, Desantis had to take drastic measures to counter a drastic overreach. I get that and I wish you did too. Unfortunately, if you donāt counter THIS particular āwrongā with another wrong, Biden wins and the people suffer. Thatās why Iāll never say Desantis was wrong. He did what he had to do.
Agree to disagree. I wouldnāt want to be anywhere else at a time like thisNo, DeSantis could have simply said Bidenās vaccine mandates were null and void in the state of FL. Anyone attempting to enforce a Biden mandate will be arrested and charged with (prosecutors make **** up all the time) whatever. He could have countered Biden without infringing on the rights of a big segment of people.
I'm no fan of these mandates... lets get that out there. I think that the uncomfortable consequence of believing in laissez-faire economics is that private sector should have the liberties to run their businesses as they please. The issue that many on the right (or more specifically most libertarians) have is that they don't have an answer or rebuttal to the idea of the govt using influence or coercion to get these companies to make these decisions.We are also having this conversation because many businesses and organizations are trying to mandate vaccinations. Vaccine mandates have also become highly politicized. Therefore, management in companies could be forcing their political beliefs onto others.
This vaccine should not be a condition of employment or a condition of someone keeping their employment. People also should not be forced to wear a mask because they haven't had it or be forced to take weekly testing. Some people are trying to create a second class of citizens due to vaccination status. And one party in particular has been encouraging businesses to have vaccine mandates.
And what's next? Are they going to mandate birth control? Can they mandate anyone they feel is overweight to go on a diet?
You make a good point here, also. The idea of "rights" should only go to individuals, not businesses.Why should businesses/ corporations be able to infringe on individual rights???? A business is created by an individual.... but is not held to the same tax laws as an individuals... there are numerous differences between the 2..
Canāt imagine how. You have a choice here. Desantis is not āantiā vaxx. Heās only saying āyour body, your choiceā and that you will not have to choose between feeding your family or taking a shot that, like you said, we donāt know the long term effects of. Desantis himself is vaccinated per report.Just like we don't know the long term effects of this vaccine, we don't know the long term ramifications of this action by DeSantis. Short term victory? Less. But on the long haul, this could end up being a problem.
You don't get it. DeSantis wins in this instance by limiting the ability of the private sector to make a particular decision regarding employment. What will happen in a few years if a Democrat/liberal comes in and decides to build off of the precedent that DeSantis has set and choses to mandate the private sector goes "woke" with their employment choices?Canāt imagine how. You have a choice here. Desantis is not āantiā vaxx. Heās only saying āyour body, your choiceā and that you will not have to choose between feeding your family or taking a shot that, like you said, we donāt know the long term effects of. Desantis himself is vaccinated per report.