Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

#101
#101
lylsmorr said:
Number of SEC tourney titles and NCAA titles.
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The SECT is just not that big of a deal. I know you want it to be since he hasn't won it yet but it really isn't. But if we get a National Championship winning coach, go ahead and fire him.
 
#102
#102
CarrytheFight said:
The SECT is just not that big of a deal. I know you want it to be since he hasn't won it yet but it really isn't. But if we get a National Championship winning coach, go ahead and fire him.
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How about one regular season title in six years? And if BP is back the roster for '10-'11 will not win the SEC so might as well make it one for seven.
 
#103
#103
Vercingetorix said:
Come on. He can't coach halfcourt offense. He's had consistent trouble with end of game strategy. The famous scout team full of four-star players suggests that he has trouble with evaluating high school players, or player development, or both. He doesn't field teams that pass the simple eyeball test of looking well coached or prepared most of the time. I've always said Pearl is a good coach, but surely even the most ardent integrity-ignoring Pearl supporter has got to admit that he has some glaring limitations as a basketball coach.
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Sure he does. He will even admit he would rather coach an up-tempo game. It can be argued he is a pretty good developer of talent. Lofton got a lot better after Pearl arrived. So did CJ. Andre Patterson did NOTHING before Pearl got here. Same with Dane. I know he didn't recruit any of them, but he made them better for sure.

In the middle of the second half agains Pitt, the announcers were raving at how well coached UT looked. Last year's end of season run was marked by some great coaching. I don't necessarily think Pearl is a great coach, but to act as though he has been nothing but decent or adequate would be underrating him terribly
 
#104
#104
lylsmorr said:
]Number of SEC tourney titles [/B]and NCAA titles.
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Definitely something missing there, but I will always put more stock into a regular season championship than a season ending conference tournament championship. I realize the NCAA looks at it differently, but they shouldn't and anyone with a average basketball IQ knows it
 
#105
#105
CarrytheFight said:
Which don't include winning a high quantity or high quality of games. When he finally got to this level he turned UWM around immediately. When he got this job he had the best winning percentage in Horizon history. He turned this program around immediately. He has produced the winningest and most consistent program in league play since he got here. He has won huge nonconference game after huge nonconference game while here. Nothing about his resume seems merely "decent" to me.
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You keep banging on this Horizon league thing as though it means anything. That's an audition, not success. Once he got a big-boy job, he certainly overachieved with Buzz Peterson's players, but hasn't been really been able to move the program any farther past that with his own, putatively more highly ranked players. He had the great fortune to come into the SEC during a period of enormous flux for Kentucky, but he still hasn't been able to beat them, and he wasn't able to parlay that timing into any more than one lone regular-season banner hanging in TBA. It's great that he finally got us over the Sweet 16 hump into the round of 8, but from a how-good-a-coach-is-he? standpoint, I don't think that makes up for the year before, when he absolutely blew a first-round game against Oklahoma State with the stupidest gameplan imaginable.

He's a program builder, a marketer, and a pretty good coach. But that's all he is.
 
#106
#106
shortgameVol said:
Sure he does. He will even admit he would rather coach an up-tempo game. It can be argued he is a pretty good developer of talent. Lofton got a lot better after Pearl arrived. So did CJ. Andre Patterson did NOTHING before Pearl got here. Same with Dane. I know he didn't recruit any of them, but he made them better for sure.

In the middle of the second half agains Pitt, the announcers were raving at how well coached UT looked. Last year's end of season run was marked by some great coaching. I don't necessarily think Pearl is a great coach, but to act as though he has been nothing but decent or adequate would be underrating him terribly
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Not really. Lofton could shoot, Pearl didn't teach him that. Lofton was coming off his freshman season, so of course he got better.
 
#107
#107
Vercingetorix said:
You keep banging on this Horizon league thing as though it means anything. That's an audition, not success. Once he got a big-boy job, he certainly overachieved with Buzz Peterson's players, but hasn't been really been able to move the program any farther past that with his own, putatively more highly ranked players. He had the great fortune to come into the SEC during a period of enormous flux for Kentucky, but he still hasn't been able to beat them, and he wasn't able to parlay that timing into any more than one lone regular-season banner hanging in TBA. It's great that he finally got us over the Sweet 16 hump into the round of 8, but from a how-good-a-coach-is-he? standpoint, I don't think that makes up for the year before, when he absolutely blew a first-round game against Oklahoma State with the stupidest gameplan imaginable.

He's a program builder, a marketer, and a pretty good coach. But that's all he is.
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Being the most consistent program in the SEC speaks for itself. Turning a Horizon league program around immediately and winning at the highest level anyone ever had in that league certainly means something when you are comparing him to a likely hire from a mid major program.
 
#108
#108
First of all, he did lie. I don't think one horrible season of bad coaching and team play necessarily means Pearl should go. However, when you combine that with the mess he has created, then it makes you wonder if he is actually worth the trouble. I've always been a fan of Pearl and appreciate everything he has done to make UT basketball relevant, but I just don't see how Pearl can be at UT after this season is over.
 
#109
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CarrytheFight said:
Being the most consistent program in the SEC speaks for itself. Turning a Horizon league program around immediately and winning at the highest level anyone ever had in that league certainly means something when you are comparing him to a likely hire from a mid major program.
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Since '05 LSU, UK and Florida have won the SEC title twice, UT once. Wins without titles are just wins.
 
#110
#110
shortgameVol said:
Sure he does. He will even admit he would rather coach an up-tempo game. It can be argued he is a pretty good developer of talent. Lofton got a lot better after Pearl arrived. So did CJ. Andre Patterson did NOTHING before Pearl got here. Same with Dane. I know he didn't recruit any of them, but he made them better for sure.
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Then why hasn't he been able to make any of his own guys better? Why does he have a bunch of four-star guys watching McBee play? Why did it take him three years to get anything consistent out of Hopson?

In the middle of the second half agains Pitt, the announcers were raving at how well coached UT looked. Last year's end of season run was marked by some great coaching. I don't necessarily think Pearl is a great coach, but to act as though he has been nothing but decent or adequate would be underrating him terribly
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We looked well coached in that game because we were shooting the lights out and playing with great effort on defense. If Pearl's coaching gets credit for that effort, then surely it also gets the blame for the fact that his teams only give that kind of effort occasionally. Why can't he get his guys to play hard even most of the time?
 
#112
#112
Vercingetorix said:
Then why hasn't he been able to make any of his own guys better? Why does he have a bunch of four-star guys watching McBee play? Why did it take him three years to get anything consistent out of Hopson?



We looked well coached in that game because we were shooting the lights out and playing with great effort on defense. If Pearl's coaching gets credit for that effort, then surely it also gets the blame for the fact that his teams only give that kind of effort occasionally. Why can't he get his guys to play hard even most of the time?
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Id rather win lots of games and win big games, than "look well coached"
 
#114
#114
tigervol9802 said:
So you don;t mind losing to College of Charleston, Oakland, and two embarassing losses to USC the past two years? Thros in a few more too.
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Id rather lose to teams I shouldnt and beat teams I shouldnt than lose to everyone I should and beat everyone I should. Does alot more for the perception of your basketball program. And for your NCAA tournament resume.
 
#115
#115
Staying true to you user name, I'll commend you in your seemingly endless plight to justify retaining Pearl.

I hope this little escapade has enlightened you as to how much disdain the overall consensus has for an admitted cheater who torched the best thing he had going for himself, sans the hot blonde on the boat. Someone will certainly provide you a pic if you've failed to see proof.
 
#116
#116
CarrytheFight said:
Well Bruce Pearl didnt coach at Tennessee is 05. Wins without conference titles equal NCAA tournaments.
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Were you sleeping during the '05-'06 season? Regardless of my math he still trails LSU and Florida and Georgia and Miss. St in conference tournament titles.
 
#117
#117
TXVOL07 said:
Staying true to you user name, I'll commend you in your seemingly endless plight to justify retaining Pearl.

I hope this little escapade has enlightened you as to how much disdain the overall consensus has for an admitted cheater who torched the best thing he had going for himself, sans the hot blonde on the boat. Someone will certainly provide you a pic if you've failed to see proof.
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I'm sorry but Volnation is far from the overall consensus. The overall consensus has enough sense to know that Tennessee basketball was not the same before him and it probably won't be the same after him.
 
#118
#118
CarrytheFight said:
I'm sorry but Volnation is far from the overall consensus. The overall consensus has enough sense to know that Tennessee basketball was not the same before him and it probably won't be the same after him.
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Good point. We've never had NCAA sanctions on our BB program.
 
#119
#119
JZVOL said:
Were you sleeping during the '05-'06 season? Regardless of my math he still trails LSU and Florida and Georgia and Miss. St in conference tournament titles.
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Yeah Kentucky won the 05 title. Which was before Bruce got there. So hes won the saem amount of titles as Kentucky. Thats another way to look at it. Once again the SECT has less meaning than the preseason NIT.
 
#120
#120
agreed, they'll likely take a few steps back similar to when Kiffin left. Pending a good replacement hire and some patience from the Orange Clad boosters.
 
#121
#121
CarrytheFight said:
Yeah Kentucky won the 05 title. Which was before Bruce got there. So hes won the saem amount of titles as Kentucky. Thats another way to look at it. Once again the SECT has less meaning than the preseason NIT.
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Until we win one...
 
#122
#122
CarrytheFight said:
I'm sorry but Volnation is far from the overall consensus. The overall consensus has enough sense to know that Tennessee basketball was not the same before him and it probably won't be the same after him.
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Actually the overall concensus is along the lines of "I hate it, but he f****d up and probably is going to be fired."
 
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