Wow! Stay classy OU

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What do you think has been said in an Omega Psi Phi party over the years?

Nasty stuff, but none worthy of expulsion. Just as this isn't.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The difference between these "racist idiots" and "racist idiots " like Sharpton and Farrakhan, etc. is what? Well, these guys are young, probably drunk, and trying to act in an outrageous way around their friends like young males often do, and they thought that they were doing it in private.

Sharpton, etc, are adults who make a living intentionally being racists. What consequences do they suffer?
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It's unfortunate that Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, et al suffer no consequences for their actions.

But are you suggesting that because SOME racist idiots have suffered no consequences, ALL racist idiots should get free passes? Do you think that ALL muderers should get a free pass because OJ Simpson wasn't convicted?
 
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bamawriter said:
My college stupidity never included open declarations that I would sooner murder a black man than associate with him.
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I wouldn't call it an "open declaration" unless they knew that the tape would be made public. Even drunk college students aren't that stupid.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's unfortunate that Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, et al suffer no consequences for their actions.

But are you suggesting that because SOME racist idiots have suffered no consequences, ALL racist idiots should get free passes? Do you think that ALL muderers should get a free pass because OJ Simpson wasn't convicted?
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Nobody is saying they shouldn't or haven't already faced consequences. Having their names already tied to this incident is certainly going to stay with them for as long as google searches exist
 
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1972 Grad said:
I wouldn't call it an "open declaration" unless they knew that the tape would be made public. Even drunk college students aren't that stupid.
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It's not like they were standing in the quad with a megaphone burning the American flag
 
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bamawriter said:
As long as they're interested in making themselves radioactive to all potential employers, suing for your right to be a racist idiot is a swell idea.
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Only morons twist it that way. It's suing for your right to do what you want in privacy without a gov't institution interfering in that. And if they're punishing them for it, they're interfering with their rights to do so.
 
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bamawriter said:
You think it's irrelevant. But rational, thoughtful people realize that not all college stupidity is created equal.
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It's irrelevant how you claim to have acted in college.

What's not is that fact that rational, thoughtful people recognize that college kids do and say very stupid things that they will likely regret.

Again, i don't defend what they said or how they acted, but I also don't think it's grounds for expulsion
 
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bamawriter said:
It's unfortunate that Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, et al suffer no consequences for their actions.

But are you suggesting that because SOME racist idiots have suffered no consequences, ALL racist idiots should get free passes? Do you think that ALL muderers should get a free pass because OJ Simpson wasn't convicted?
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O.J. was innocent. Football stars don't commit crimes. They are beyond reproach, especially if they are on your team.

On a more serious note, Sharpton has been responsible for deaths, injuries, and millions of dollars in physical damage to various cities. These guys said something stupid, and didn't expect it to get out.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The faculty is employed by whom? Their checks are paid by whom? They are being kicked out of school because they said something that people didn't like.
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If you work for the State of Tennessee, and you get filmed saying something horribly racist while away from the office, the State absolutely has the right to fire you.

The First Amendment only protects you from being sent to prison, fined, executed, or deported for exercising your right to free speech. It does not guarantee you college admission or employment.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Well it only took a day. Two people expelled from a public university without due process for saying the n-word. I'd say that qualifies as a 1st amendment violation or at least that's the way I remember it when I was sitting in Con Law as a 1L with all the other racist frat rats.
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You obviously wasted money on that class because you didn't learn anything.
 
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VKAman said:
Not really a good analogy; you're talking about an individual act compared to a bus full of people.

A better comparison would probably be what Duke lacrosse was accused of, and they basically did disband the team even though the accusations had zero substance.
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You could fill up a bus with U.T. football players accused of sexual assaults in Knoxville.
 
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bamawriter said:
You think it's irrelevant. But rational, thoughtful people realize that not all college stupidity is created equal.
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I dont think that has relevance because no one here or abroad (that Im aware of) have condoned or claimed that it wasnt stupid or hurtful.

I am 100% against what they said, and am fine with repercussions. Just not those particular ones imposed.
 
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bamawriter said:
If you work for the State of Tennessee, and you get filmed saying something horribly racist while away from the office, the State absolutely has the right to fire you.

The First Amendment only protects you from being sent to prison, fined, executed, or deported for exercising your right to free speech. It does not guarantee you college admission or employment.
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One case you're being paid to represent an institution, the other case you're paying. If I'm giving $20k a year I expect to be able to say whatever the hell I want in an off campus setting.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Only morons twist it that way. It's suing for your right to do what you want in privacy without a gov't institution interfering in that. And if they're punishing them for it, they're interfering with their rights to do so.
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OU is not interfering in their right to say what they want, when they want. OU is saying "If you choose to do this, we will not associate with you." The right to associate with who you choose is also protected.
 
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bamawriter said:
If you work for the State of Tennessee, and you get filmed saying something horribly racist while away from the office, the State absolutely has the right to fire you.

The First Amendment only protects you from being sent to prison, fined, executed, or deported for exercising your right to free speech. It does not guarantee you college admission or employment.
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If you work for the State of Tennessee the state signs your paycheck. Students aren't on payroll.
 
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bamawriter said:
OU is not interfering in their right to say what they want, when they want. OU is saying "If you choose to do this, we will not associate with you." The right to associate with who you choose is also protected.
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By punishing them they're interfering. Saying "you can say what you want, but we'll punish you" is not avoiding interference.
 
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bamawriter said:
OU is not interfering in their right to say what they want, when they want. OU is saying "If you choose to do this, we will not associate with you." The right to associate with who you choose is also protected.
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So, it is okay in your opinion for the fraternity to exclude blacks, if the members don't want to associate with them?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
By punishing them they're interfering. Saying "you can say what you want, but we'll punish you" is not avoiding interference.
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In Constitutional terms, yes it is.

Unless you can point to the Article that guarantees a college education at the public school of one's choice.
 
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