Wow! Stay classy OU

[TrueOrange]

The difference between these "racist idiots" and "racist idiots " like Sharpton and Farrakhan, etc. is what? Well, these guys are young, probably drunk, and trying to act in an outrageous way around their friends like young males often do, and they thought that they were doing it in private.

At the same time, that really doesn't excuse them for what they did either, though...granted I'm not sure they should be having excuses made for it either.

Sharpton, etc, are adults who make a living intentionally being racists. What consequences do they suffer?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

So, if you're on scholarship you have to watch what you say?

No one should have to watch what they say in a private setting, regardless. I could probably be fired 3x a week for things I say in my own home, vehicle etc.

 

[bamawriter]

So, it is okay in your opinion for the fraternity to exclude blacks, if the members don't want to associate with them?

Sure. But they don't have the right to do so and be associated with OU at the same time.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

In Constitutional terms, yes it is.

Unless you can point to the Article that guarantees a college education at the public school of one's choice.

Can you point to the article that explicitly mentions a college's right to do so?

 

[bamawriter]

No one should have to watch what they say in a private setting, regardless. I could probably be fired 3x a week for things I say in my own home, vehicle etc.

Good on you for being smart enough to stay off Youtube.

 

[1972 Grad]

In Constitutional terms, yes it is.

Unless you can point to the Article that guarantees a college education at the public school of one's choice.

What is the difference between a college not wanting to conduct business with a person because of something that they said, and a business refusing to conduct business ( do wedding flowers or bake a cake) for a gay couple wanting to get married?

 

[TrueOrange]

I wouldn't call it an "open declaration" unless they knew that the tape would be made public. Even drunk college students aren't that stupid.

You'd be surprised, then.

 

[golfballs]

The university can kick students out for lesser offenses than breaking the law. I just don't think singing an offensive song in private is one of those.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Sure. But they don't have the right to do so and be associated with OU at the same time.

So now the schools control who can be admitted to a fraternity as well? An organization that likely receives no university support.

 

[1972 Grad]

At the same time, that really doesn't excuse them for what they did either, though...granted I'm not sure they should be having excuses made for it either.

I am making excuses because I am a big believer in free speech. Words are just that. I would support the death penalty for them if they actually hung a black man. Big difference.

 

[bamawriter]

Can you point to the article that explicitly mentions a college's right to do so?

A college is nothing more than a group of individuals. Those individuals have rights.

 

[golfballs]

So now the schools control who can be admitted to a fraternity as well? An organization that likely receives no university support.

It's part of the code of conduct that all students agree to - their organization cannot discriminate based on race, religion, etc...

So if a few drunk *******s on a bus constitute an official fraternity stance then I can understand kicking the organization off campus. But expelling the students from school is still a huge stretch

 

[The Ron Mexico]

I'm trusting the law school grad.

The 1st Amendment does not protect me from the repercussions of my actions.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

It's part of the code of conduct that all students agree to - their organization cannot discriminate based on race, religion, etc...

So if a few drunk *******s on a bus constitute an official fraternity stance then I can understand kicking the organization off campus. But expelling the students from school is still a huge stretch

Agreed. But he was saying that if SAE chose to not admit blacks then OU has the right to remove them from campus as well. I whole heartedly disagree with that sentiment, even if it's an archaic mindset.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

The 1st Amendment does not protect me from the repercussions of my actions.

Then what's it protecting? It's not free if there's repercussions.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

Then what's it protecting? It's not free if there's repercussions.

I can say whatever I want. My job can fire me if they want. I can be banned from a message board. Neither of those things violate my 1st Amendment rights. If you're gonna say it, be man enough to suffer the consequences.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I can say whatever I want. My job can fire me if they want. I can be banned from a message board. Neither of those things violate my 1st Amendment rights. If you're gonna say it, be man enough to suffer the consequences.

In what country can't you say whatever you want? If you do though, you'll face consequences. That's not freedom. There's almost always repercussions if someone disagrees.

Your examples are all private entities free to do as they please. I don't believe a gov't institution should have the right to curtail what individuals say.

 

[bamawriter]

What is the difference between a college not wanting to conduct business with a person because of something that they said, and a business refusing to conduct business ( do wedding flowers or bake a cake) for a gay couple wanting to get married?

There is no difference in my eyes.

 

[1972 Grad]

In what country can't you say whatever you want? If you do though, you'll face consequences. That's not freedom. There's almost always repercussions if someone disagrees.

Depends totally upon what group you offend. Some people refuse to be viewed as victims. Some thrive on it.

 

[golfballs]

Depends totally upon what group you offend. Some people refuse to be viewed as victims. Some thrive on it.

Who is the victim here?

 

[bamawriter]

So now the schools control who can be admitted to a fraternity as well? An organization that likely receives no university support.

It receives university sanctioning.

 

[bamawriter]

Agreed. But he was saying that if SAE chose to not admit blacks then OU has the right to remove them from campus as well. I whole heartedly disagree with that sentiment, even if it's an archaic mindset.

You can disagree with the sentiment. But OU has that right, and that power, nonetheless.

 

[bamawriter]

Then what's it protecting? It's not free if there's repercussions.

Call your boss an a***ole tomorrow morning. You have the right to do so. There will probably be repercussions.

 

[1972 Grad]

There is no difference in my eyes.

Why? People are being refused services, just for different reasons.

 

[1972 Grad]

Who is the victim here?

The people who got taped.