Yeah, the days of abusing the Bible to justify violence are long gone

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utvolpj said:
facts? The fact is the vast majority of followers of all religions are peaceful. However some people choose to take a small minority and say it represents the entire group. It's stupid and childish but it gets posted here every single day.
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All I have done is posted a content vs content type discussion, and have gotten general answers,

the truth is, true Islam is extremeism, its writtin in their holy book. Their leader was a military leader, and a very very harsh one at that.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
right, and this was a basically a Christianity is just as violent as Islam discussion, and the "rules of conduct" for Christianity are established in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a history, which states the prophesy of Jesus, and establishes his lineage in accordance with the prophesy
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I think what we have , with Islam, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the texts, by religious extremists, to further their fight against the West and Christianity. The people believe what is told to them, one, because most are uneducated and have no other means to understand the text other than what they have been told, and two, because it is forbidden to question religious authority in Islamic countries.
This was similar to what happened in the early days of Christianity with the Spanish Inquisition and in this country, the Salem Witch Trials.
Christians have killed as much in the name of faith as Muslims have, so we need not imply that we are a faith that is free of violence.
 
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utvolpj said:
facts? The fact is the vast majority of followers of all religions are peaceful. However some people choose to take a small minority and say it represents the entire group. It's stupid and childish but it gets posted here every single day.
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Which is what LG admitted was his point for the thread.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
the truth is, true Islam is extremeism, its writtin in their holy book. Their leader was a military leader, and a very very harsh one at that.
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but very, very few follow it like that. I guess there are just hundreds of millions of followers who don't actually understand their own religion. So glad there are many willing to help them out
 
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im just stating what is in their text. I know you are an expert on all things religious, but how often do you hear of Islam helping people?
 
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utvolpj said:
facts? The fact is the vast majority of followers of all religions are peaceful. However some people choose to take a small minority and say it represents the entire group. It's stupid and childish but it gets posted here every single day.
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i've met many a extremist christian and almost none advocate violence, the same cannot be said for extremist muslims. a primary reason for this IS that the koran does state that violence is not only OK, but advocates it as a way to salvation. Now most muslims dont' interpret that way, but to argue that all religions are the same when it comes to this is silly.
 
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droski said:
i've met many a extremist christian and almost none advocate violence, the same cannot be said for extremist muslims. a primary reason for this IS that the koran does state that violence is not only OK, but advocates it as a way to salvation. Now most muslims dont' interpret that way, but to argue that all religions are the same when it comes to this is silly.
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thank you!
 
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droski said:
i've met many a extremist christian and almost none advocate violence, the same cannot be said for extremist muslims. a primary reason for this IS that the koran does state that violence is not only OK, but advocates it as a way to salvation. Now most muslims dont' interpret that way, but to argue that all religions are the same when it comes to this is silly.
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I guess you missed the OP and the arrests/raids going on right now
 
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droski said:
i've met many a extremist christian and almost none advocate violence, the same cannot be said for extremist muslims. a primary reason for this IS that the koran does state that violence is not only OK, but advocates it as a way to salvation. Now most muslims dont' interpret that way, but to argue that all religions are the same when it comes to this is silly.
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that is the only reason for some to exist here on VN
 
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utvolpj said:
I guess you missed the OP and the arrests/raids going on right now
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there is a difference between a couple of wackjobs and a religion that treats said wackjobs as heros. no other religion's followers contribute in high amounts to terrorists groups. no other religion has leaders that advocate violence. no other religion are the actual churches where the terrorist meetings take place.
 
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droski said:
there is a difference between a couple of wackjobs and a religion that treats said wackjobs as heros. no other religion's followers contribute in high amounts to terrorists groups. no other religion has leaders that advocate violence. no other religion are the actual churches where the terrorist meetings take place.
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correct
 
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droski said:
there is a difference between a couple of wackjobs and a religion that treats said wackjobs as heros. no other religion's followers contribute in high amounts to terrorists groups. no other religion has leaders that advocate violence. no other religion are the actual churches where the terrorist meetings take place.
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again you pick out a few. The vast majority does not feel that way but they get none of the press

heck there are church leaders that travel around the US celebrating at soldier's funerals but they're just loony.
 
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#92
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utvolpj said:
again you pick out a few. The vast majority does not feel that way but they get none of the press

heck there are church leaders that travel around the US celebrating at soldier's funerals but they're just loony.
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i guess my argument is thier small minority is a much higher % than other relgions small minority.
 
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droski said:
i guess my argument is thier small minority is a much higher % than other relgions small minority.
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maybe it's just that I personally don't believe that. I just think they happen to be more vocal
 
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utvolpj said:
again you pick out a few. The vast majority does not feel that way but they get none of the press

heck there are cult leaders that travel around the US celebrating at soldier's funerals but they're just loony.
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fyp....big difference, just because they say they are Christians, does not mean they are.....see what I did there
 
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droski said:
to imply the bible and christianity has the same level as acceptance of violence as the koran and the muslim religion is basically showing you haven't studied either. let's not forget mohammad was a military leader. and btw i'm an agnostic.
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Its not a competition. My point simply was that any religion can be, and in fact has been, manipulated to justify a lot of really bad things. That we live in an Age where Islam is the main culprit is hardly grounds for either looking the other way when Christians do it or concluding that Islam is inherently at war with everyone else.

The problem is that its hard to reason with someone who by definition views their mission from a higher being to kill off some group of people. They don't bargain.


GASOUTHERNVOL said:
if anything Christianity teaches to resist violence, I mean if it was any different then Jesus would have went gladiator on rome, pontious pilot wouldnt have stood a chance
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Except for that whole turn the cheek thing.


volfanjustin said:
We are used to it.

Christianity does not teach and preach mass murder and terror. Islam wants those who do not believe like they do to be murdered. Islam is not about peace or tolerance. A "good" muslim commits mass murder and/or accepts when other muslims do they same.
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There have been more than a few times in history where Christianity thought EXACTLY that.


GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Well, Christianity is based upon the New Testament, which is the New Law that was established when Jesus died on the Cross. This was symbolized by the tearing of the veil of the temple from top to bottom, signifying a new law. The Old Testament is a history, and establishes the lineage of Jesus and validates through prophesy of the Son of God.

So yes, for Christians, the New Testament supercedes the Old Testament.

if you are Jewish, then the Old Testament is still the law.
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:blink:
 
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any killing by a Muslim is attributed to their religion. Christians don't get the same treatment (guess their PR dept is better)

stories such as the OP and the news the past couple of days are starting to come out. Will be interesting to see how they're viewed
 
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utvolpj said:
again you pick out a few. The vast majority does not feel that way but they get none of the press

heck there are church leaders that travel around the US celebrating at soldier's funerals but they're just loony.
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I agree to an extent about there being loons on every side here but I have to point out that the group you reference is very often counter demonstrated by other various groups. When you see these militant Islamic groups demonstrating I have yet to see a counter demonstration, I am sure part of that is because that angle doesn't sell in our press but I would think the overwhelming reason would be that those counter demonstrations are very rare. The obvious reason for the rarity, IMO, would be that anyone who opposes the extremists are afraid for their personal safety, and for good reason.
 
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