Yemi granted release. (order of protection taken 4/22)

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calban said:
We're not talking a few words. We're talking a coach's mind set and how he approaches the next game.
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And again, Calipari had exactly the opposite mind set going into Kentucky's game against Vandy. Opposite mind sets, exactly same result (UK played like crap too).
 
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johnnybravo said:
I don't think that CCM thought the BAMA game was irrelevant. I think that he thought that it was a big game in order to win an SEC title. I don't think that he thought that needed the win to get NCAA tourney though. The way his team played in the SEC tourny didn't help his defense.

I'm hoping that CCM is smarter than trying to "pondering to the committee through a media outlet". Telling the committee that you are in through the media and laying a big egg in the SEC tourny is not a smart move. Wouldn't matter anyway. The committee could care less if CCM thinks he's in the tourney or not.
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I didn't say it was a smart move, but if you really believe in the merits of your resume, why even speak about it to the media where it will be quoted and replayed time and time again? That tells me he wasn't as secure in their spot as some want to believe.
 
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johnnybravo said:
He said the same thing again during the week on a radio interview before the tourny.

Not many people thought that TN was "IN' unless we beat Bama. We were projected "last team in" going into the game in most bracketology polls. Of course a loss would drop us out. So, CCM might not have been the "only" person that thought they were safely in, but there wasn't many others that thought that.
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I thought during the radio interviews that week before the SEC tourney started he actually backtracked off that statement and went with a more "there is work to be done stance". I seem to remember Hyams bringing up the differences on Sports Talk.

As for people not thinking UT was in, there were national people that listed UT as one of the biggest snubs in the field. They apparently thought beating Mizzou was enough.

I'm not arguing it was cut and dried, or that everyone thought they were in, just that some people thought they were in and if Martin thought that too, especially after beating Mizzou, I don't hold anything against him for that.
 
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CCM shouldn't have gave an opinion at all. His response should have been something like..."It's not my decision if we are in the tourny or not, that's up to the selection committee....I'm not focusing on the NCAA tourny right now. My main focus is MSU and winning an SEC tourny title."

His team coming out and playing with the effort that they did in the SEC tourny does not helps CCM case what so ever. I would much rather believe that his team didn't get up because they thought they were "in" than to believe that CCM has issues getting his team ready to play in any tourny at all...
 
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johnnybravo said:
CCM shouldn't have gave an opinion at all. His response should have been something like..."It's not my decision if we are in the tourny or not, that's up to the selection committee....I'm not focusing on the NCAA tourny right now. My main focus is MSU and winning an SEC tourny title."

His team coming out and playing with the effort that they did in the SEC tourny does not helps CCM case what so ever. I would much rather believe that his team didn't get up because they thought they were "in" than to believe that CCM has issues getting his team ready to play in any tourny at all...
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I agree. He should have remained mum. The fact that he chose to speak on it tells me he wasn't comfortable though.

Secondly, his team believing they were in, and Martin telling them they were in, are two different things. The argument here seems to center on the belief of one poster who seems to think Martin told his team they were in (or so his posts would suggest). I don't believe that to be the case.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree. He should have remained mum. The fact that he chose to speak on it tells me he wasn't comfortable though.

Secondly, his team believing they were in, and Martin telling them they were in, are two different things. The argument here seems to center on the belief of one poster who seems to think Martin told his team they were in (or so his posts would suggest). I don't believe that to be the case.
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I can believe after the MIZZ game, that CCM may have told the team that he believes that they are in the tourny if that's what he thought.

I'm quite certain that he didn't tell the team before the Bama game that they didn't need this win. I'm sure there was focus on the Bama game at the time. But there is a different type of focus that you have when you know it's "must win" situation. Bama showed it.
 
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calban said:
This line of thinking is strange.
If you criticize someone or have a different opinion = you don't want them to succeed.
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Maybe shouldn't have said "don't want him to succeed."

Better choice of words would be "simply don't like Martin."

Point is, the people I'm referring to go out of their way to invent reasons to rip the guy. Rip on him for questionable takes in recruiting or his lack of success at the beginning of seasons or in the SEC tourney. Those are legit reasons.

Things like "he said we were in" and "Yemi was forced out" are complete BS.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I can believe after the MIZZ game, that CCM may have told the team that he believes that they are in the tourny if that's what he thought.

I'm quite certain that he didn't tell the team before the Bama game that they didn't need this win. I'm sure there was focus on the Bama game at the time. But there is a different type of focus that you have when you know it's "must win" situation. Bama showed it.
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Maybe. I just think a smart coach (make up your own mind if you think Martin is or not...for the sake of this argument, I will assume he is) would realize how well his team had played with the mentality that each game is a "must-win", and not ruin that mentality by assuring them of something that he had no control over.

I may be wrong though.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Maybe. I just think a smart coach (make up your own mind if you think Martin is or not...for the sake of this argument, I will assume he is) would realize how well his team had played with the mentality that each game is a "must-win", and not ruin that mentality by assuring them of something that he had no control over.

I may be wrong though.
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Do you think the team played the same against MSU, BAMA, and Mercer as they did winning 9 out of the last 10 during the regular season?

I don't think CCM isn't "smart". I think he's still a young coach that will go through growing pains and make mistakes.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Maybe shouldn't have said "don't want him to succeed."

Better choice of words would be "simply don't like Martin."

Point is, the people I'm referring to go out of their way to invent reasons to rip the guy. Rip on him for questionable takes in recruiting or his lack of success at the beginning of seasons or in the SEC tourney. Those are legit reasons.

Things like "he said we were in" and "Yemi was forced out" are complete BS.
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If saying 'we were in' was BS, maybe he shouldn't have said it.
I like Martin. I think he'll make a serviceable interim until 2016.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Do you think the team played the same against MSU, BAMA, and Mercer as they did winning 9 out of the last 10 during the regular season?

I don't think CCM isn't "smart". I think he's still a young coach that will go through growing pains and make mistakes.
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No, I don't think they played the same, but I don't feel itis attributed to Martin telling them they were in or that the Alabama game didn't matter, which has been my point all along.

I think they started reading their own press clippinga and believing people like Jimmy Dykes who said they were in. Not CCM.

The Mercer game is irrelevant to this anyhow. It occurred after the crux of this discussion.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No, I don't think they played the same, but I don't feel itis attributed to Martin telling them they were in or that the Alabama game didn't matter, which has been my point all along.

I think they started reading their own press clippinga and believing people like Jimmy Dykes who said they were in. Not CCM.

The Mercer game is irrelevant to this anyhow. It occurred after the crux of this discussion.
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The Mercer game might be irrelevant to the convo, but not irrelevant on how the team plays in touny games. That is a glaring weakness that CCM has on getting his team ready to play.
 
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johnnybravo said:
The Mercer game might be irrelevant to the convo, but not irrelevant on how the team plays in touny games. That is a glaring weakness that CCM has on getting his team ready to play.
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There's definitely something LACKING or different in the way he approaches road and tourney games.
I don't count Mercer in that. It was just a no show.
 
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calban said:
If saying 'we were in' was BS, maybe he shouldn't have said it.
I like Martin. I think he'll make a serviceable interim until 2016.
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I'm saying that fans using his quotes as a reason to complain is BS.

I think his quotes were of zero significance. That neither hurt not helped.

Again, his "we are in" quotes were not BS. A small section of our fanbase using said quotes as a reason to rip CCM is BS.
 
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johnnybravo said:
The Mercer game might be irrelevant to the convo, but not irrelevant on how the team plays in touny games. That is a glaring weakness that CCM has on getting his team ready to play.
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I don't disagree, but as you said, it's not relative to this conversation, which is what I was pointing out.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I'm saying that fans using his quotes as a reason to complain is BS.

I think his quotes were of zero significance. That neither hurt not helped.

Again, his "we are in" quotes were not BS. A small section of our fanbase using said quotes as a reason to rip CCM is BS.
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Evidently you want a board where no one can rip players or coaches.
Try the Roll tide board.
Very boring.
 
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calban said:
There's definitely something LACKING or different in the way he approaches road and tourney games.
I don't count Mercer in that. It was just a no show.
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If I'm investing time and paying to watch them play in the NIT, then a "no show" is very unacceptable in my book. It's an indication of the team and the coaching staff not giving a d@mn, when I did.
 
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johnnybravo said:
If I'm investing time and paying to watch them play in the NIT, then a "no show" is very unacceptable in my book. It's an indication of the team and the coaching staff not giving a d@mn, when I did.
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I agree with that.
I don't include it because it was at TBA. An honest to God 'don't give a damn' game is a slap in the face to any fan.
Of course then, THEY throw in the excuse 'we were snubbed'.
No TN pride if you ask me.
 
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calban said:
I agree with that.
I don't include it because it was at TBA. An honest to God 'don't give a damn' game is a slap in the face to any fan.
Of course then, THEY throw in the excuse 'we were snubbed'.
No TN pride if you ask me.
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It was only a slap in the face to the 3,000 people who showed up. So, obviously the fans didn't care either.

Now, I am a competitive person, and I want to win a backyard game, so that is not necessarily in my mindset. But, I can say that I even forgot the game was on that night. IMO, if fans don't care, then you can't hold the players to as high of a standard as you normally do.

These conversations get old after a while though. He just needs to get it done next year.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It was only a slap in the face to the 3,000 people who showed up. So, obviously the fans didn't care either.

Now, I am a competitive person, and I want to win a backyard game, so that is not necessarily in my mindset. But, I can say that I even forgot the game was on that night. IMO, if fans don't care, then you can't hold the players to as high of a standard as you normally do.

These conversations get old after a while though. He just needs to get it done next year.
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You got that right....these convos definitely get old....but what else do we have to talk about until November?
 
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