Yemi Makanjoula commits to Tennessee

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Since I am kind of the one that started this whole derailment of the thread let me clarify the point which has gone even more off tangent than I expected it to (there have been more posts about Chism than the kid this thread is about).

I think that Bruce Pearl was a great coach in his own way and his contributions to UT actually greatly outweigh the negatives that will come because of lie-gate. However I think his greatest weaknesses were recruiting player development. The 3 players put forth as examples to my original question were quite hilarious to me because along with Hopson they are posterboys for my point on development.

Each of these 4 guys were really good-great players for this school. That cannot be questioned. But not one of them lived up to the potential they came on campus with. Yes it can be said each improved year to year but thats what practice and playing time will do. For the most part with the exception of prince they left with the same weaknesses they came with. Prince's injuries can be laid to blame for a lot of his lack of development but never giving him a true position (another big pearl thing) stymied him even more.

My point is in my opinion players that improved markedly seemed to do it in spite of pearls efforts instead of because of them. Recruiting is not just about noticing a good player and getting him to sign. It is about filling holes and mixing personalities. In his tenure at what point did we have more than 1 legit big man? How many true points did he ever get from freshman to senior as opposed to JC? He brought in some guys but most left with lower draft stock than they came with other than Harris and imho he just broke even because he came in as a 1 and done and is lucky to have survived that.

The kid this thread is about is the guy in this recruiting class I will watch closest because he is exactly the kind of guy that can show us what this coach is capable of bringing out of a kid. If he can be half the player Chism was I will be duly impressed. He was a career bench warmer. He warmed it behind some studs but your butt warms the pine the same no matter who is in front of you. the big thing is this guy has practiced against some tough guys and when he got a chance to play showed he was only on the bench because he was a step behind the other guy.
 
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pimo1 said:
Since I am kind of the one that started this whole derailment of the thread let me clarify the point which has gone even more off tangent than I expected it to (there have been more posts about Chism than the kid this thread is about).

I think that Bruce Pearl was a great coach in his own way and his contributions to UT actually greatly outweigh the negatives that will come because of lie-gate. However I think his greatest weaknesses were recruiting player development. The 3 players put forth as examples to my original question were quite hilarious to me because along with Hopson they are posterboys for my point on development.

Each of these 4 guys were really good-great players for this school. That cannot be questioned. But not one of them lived up to the potential they came on campus with. Yes it can be said each improved year to year but thats what practice and playing time will do. For the most part with the exception of prince they left with the same weaknesses they came with. Prince's injuries can be laid to blame for a lot of his lack of development but never giving him a true position (another big pearl thing) stymied him even more.

My point is in my opinion players that improved markedly seemed to do it in spite of pearls efforts instead of because of them. Recruiting is not just about noticing a good player and getting him to sign. It is about filling holes and mixing personalities. In his tenure at what point did we have more than 1 legit big man? How many true points did he ever get from freshman to senior as opposed to JC? He brought in some guys but most left with lower draft stock than they came with other than Harris and imho he just broke even because he came in as a 1 and done and is lucky to have survived that.

The kid this thread is about is the guy in this recruiting class I will watch closest because he is exactly the kind of guy that can show us what this coach is capable of bringing out of a kid. If he can be half the player Chism was I will be duly impressed. He was a career bench warmer. He warmed it behind some studs but your butt warms the pine the same no matter who is in front of you. the big thing is this guy has practiced against some tough guys and when he got a chance to play showed he was only on the bench because he was a step behind the other guy.
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I'm at a loss for words......go yemi wherever u end up.
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pl3 said:
You like hypotheticals: like Chism could have done the same without BP and staff and Peyton could have done the same without his support staff.

I'd rather deal with what actually happened. Frankly, the only thing I'm getting from you is that coaches are basically worthless and that players improve because of their natural progression, and the regression is solely on the coach.

Your hate is blinding your judgement.
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you are reading it wrong then. we are saying that the improvements shown by most players under pearl not all coaches was marginal for the majority of players. the fact that there was so little improvement among players in general points that they mostly improved from practice
and PT. this is not to say that the coaches played no role in player development it is saying that was a weak part of that particular coaching staff. Guys consistently came in as prospective NBA talent and as they went on the scouts lost interest in them.
 
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pimo1 said:
you are reading it wrong then. we are saying that the improvements shown by most players under pearl not all coaches was marginal for the majority of players. the fact that there was so little improvement among players in general points that they mostly improved from practice
and PT. this is not to say that the coaches played no role in player development it is saying that was a weak part of that particular coaching staff. Guys consistently came in as prospective NBA talent and as they went on the scouts lost interest in them.
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Wrong again, and I don't know who "we" is. I was referring to the charge that Chism, specifically, improved due to "natural development" and the staff had nothing to do with it. I didn't discuss other players. The subject was Chism. Other players don't develop for many reasons: overhyped, overcoached, undercoached, misevaluated, peaked in hs, or whatever. I didn't read anything wrong. It happens. Izzo's a top 3 coach in ncaa and had a pg and sg play their worst years in their sr years this year, which is a big reason they struggled. The original argument that Chism only marginally improved over 4 yrs and it was only due to his growing older shows ignorance of the sport and the program during Chism's years.
 
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Chism improved through hard work and the help of the coaches. He was a great college player for us who got better every year IMO but he was never going to play in the NBA. How much more player development could there have been with him?
 
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read the whole thread this all started somewhere else and came out to be about chism.....instead of the real point.
 
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pl3 said:
The original argument that Chism only marginally improved over 4 yrs and it was only due to his growing older shows ignorance of the sport and the program during Chism's years.
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What exactly did Chism get better at while at UT? The only difference was that he had a more dominant role his senior year.
 
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I've not been keeping up. What does Chism have to do with Yemi? Is Chism from Nigeria? Is Yemi related to Chism? TIA.
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pimo1 said:
you are reading it wrong then. we are saying that the improvements shown by most players under pearl not all coaches was marginal for the majority of players. the fact that there was so little improvement among players in general points that they mostly improved from practice
and PT. this is not to say that the coaches played no role in player development it is saying that was a weak part of that particular coaching staff. Guys consistently came in as prospective NBA talent and as they went on the scouts lost interest in them.
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Where are the guys screaming Pearl couldnt recruit? This guy says that he consistantly had NBA prospects coming in but couldnt develop them.
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LawVol13 said:
What exactly did Chism get better at while at UT? The only difference was that he had a more dominant role his senior year.
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He didnt improve at all. Just the other crappy undeveloped players graduated. You guys are killing me.
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bamacheats said:
I've not been keeping up. What does Chism have to do with Yemi? Is Chism from Nigeria? Is Yemi related to Chism? TIA.
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Nothing to do with each other. We ran out of info and opinion on yemi so we are discussing how wayne chism graduated minimally better than he entered ut. Same with lofton and prince.
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jp1 said:
Nothing to do with each other. We ran out of info and opinion on yemi so we are discussing how wayne chism graduated minimally better than he entered ut. Same with lofton and prince.
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Thanks. I don't think development was that coaching staff's strong suit. Take Loften out, he had cancer, even though Bruce allowed him to thrive since he took the handcuffs off that Buzz put on him. Brian Williams got worse. Tatum has gotten worse. Prince wouldn't have improved under any coach.

Dane Bradshaw got way better under Bruce. So did Jujaun. Childress just flat sucked period. Duke Crews did nothing, and showed no hints of ever doing something. Ramar sucked.

I can think of 3 guys that benefited under Bruce.
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bamacheats said:
Thanks. I don't think development was that coaching staff's strong suit. Take Loften out, he had cancer, even though Bruce allowed him to thrive since he took the handcuffs off that Buzz put on him. Brian Williams got worse. Tatum has gotten worse. Prince wouldn't have improved under any coach.

Dane Bradshaw got way better under Bruce. So did Jujaun. Childress just flat sucked period. Duke Crews did nothing, and showed no hints of ever doing something. Ramar sucked.

I can think of 3 guys that benefited under Bruce.
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catch an effing clue.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
If you think Brian Williams got worse, you haven't watched Tennessee hoops the last four years.
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I've watched UT hoops the last 25 years. Section 107 since the Tommy Bol opened. Brian Williams got more minutes, he didn't get better. In his defense though, he was a project.
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bamacheats said:
I've watched UT hoops the last 25 years. Section 107 since the Tommy Bol opened. Brian Williams got more minutes, he didn't get better. In his defense though, he was a project.
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i hope that your assessment is the result of brown eyed women and red grenadine.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Brian Williams regressed from his Junior year to his Senior year. That was plainly obvious to anyone who watched any games this year.
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I disagree with you, but not worth an argument. Will agree that he could have done more this season, but don't think it was a result of him regressing.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
everything, imo. Or ask hat and I'm sure he will give you an opinion to post.
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When you have to bring that type of crap to the table, that means you really don't have anything to post. Wayne Chism didn't get significantly better at any aspect of his game during his 4 years here. He took on an expanded role his last couple of years. He averaged 9 ppg as a true Freshman and 12.6 ppg as a senior. He shot 32.9% from three as a freshman, and 32.3% as a senior. He shot 44% his freshman year from the field, and 47% as a senior. He averaged 2 more rebounds per game his senior year than his freshman year. So, you tell me where all the massive improvement was.
 
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LawVol13 said:
When you have to bring that type of crap to the table, that means you really don't have anything to post. Wayne Chism didn't get significantly better at any aspect of his game during his 4 years here. He took on an expanded role his last couple of years. He averaged 9 ppg as a true Freshman and 12.6 ppg as a senior. He shot 32.9% from three as a freshman, and 32.3% as a senior. He shot 44% his freshman year from the field, and 47% as a senior. He averaged 2 more rebounds per game his senior year than his freshman year. So, you tell me where all the massive improvement was.
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again, everywhere. He went from a solid 20 minute a game guy to a UT classic.

He was the heart and soul of the elite 8 team, the team that went further than any UT team in the history of the program.

Arguing the three point percentage of a 4 is nonsense.
 
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