Yemi Makanjoula commits to Tennessee

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pl3 said:
If you watch basketball and didn't see an improvement in his game, as he progressed through college without another big man, shooters or pg his jr/sr year, I can't help you. If you want to say he slightly improved because of age, that's your call. He was soft in HS. A finesse player and wasn't a banger. He developed a 3, his left off the board, his right off the board, his hands, his strength, his ball handling, his mental toughness and most dramatically, his ability to D up the other team's 3, 4 and 5 when necessary.
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The entire point was what did Bruce Pearl do to develop players? Never said there wasn't natural improvement from Chism, never said I didn't like him, never said he didn't play tough post D.

So you are saying he developed a three in the summer between his HS SR year and frosh year at UT? Because his 3 % went down slightly while at UT.

Also you one of the areas you pointed to, to show his improvement were stats, which there is not a lot of difference in between his freshman season and senior season.
 
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pl3 said:
If you watch basketball and didn't see an improvement in his game, as he progressed through college without another big man, shooters or pg his jr/sr year, I can't help you. If you want to say he slightly improved because of age, that's your call. He was soft in HS. A finesse player and wasn't a banger. He developed a 3, his left off the board, his right off the board, his hands, his strength, his ball handling, his mental toughness and most dramatically, his ability to D up the other team's 3, 4 and 5 when necessary.
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Back to the original questions, which one of these things is Bruce Pearl responsible for?
 
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Tatum would be the first to come to mind. Williams regressed from last season. There are others, but I don't have time to go through the rosters of Pearl's tenure. If you haven't seen any that regressed, you simply haven't been watching very closely.
 
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A little trivia about Yemi

HoopScoops ranks Yemi at 342 out of 750 2011 high school seniors.
For reference Joseph Uchebo the kid he played behind was ranked 51 a 4 star on rivals and pos rank 12 on espn.

Lekan Ajayi another player we looked at was ranked 513 Unranked on rivlas and pos rank 24 on espn.

John Cannon (GA signee) was ranked 403 3 star on rivals and pos rank 47 on espn.
Kameron Woods (Butler signee) was 409 3 star on rivals pos rank 63 on espn.

hot
 
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pl3 said:
I don't know anything about a pedestal, but he's one of UT's best 10 players in the last 20 years, imo.
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This^. Wheezy also started drawing much more attention from opposing teams. Gosh BP haters how did BP win all those games with 6straight NCAAs, 2 sweet sixteens, and an Elite 8? He didn't develop players, didn't recruit well, was a horrible floor coach, and now many players regressed during his tenure (which happens in every program BTW). It's a miracle he won a game.
 
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JZVOL said:
Back to the original questions, which one of these things is Bruce Pearl responsible for?
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You're right. BP and staff had nothing to do with Chism's improvement and his overall career rankings in the SEC and UT. It was all Chism and his natural progression.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Tatum would be the first to come to mind. Williams regressed from last season. There are others, but I don't have time to go through the rosters of Pearl's tenure. If you haven't seen any that regressed, you simply haven't been watching very closely.
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I would agree on Tatum, but he has been hurt a lot too. He also isn't finished with his career. He has one more year.

I've watched very closely. I can honestly say there hasn't been MANY who have regressed. It's just not the case.

Look, I know you hated Pearl.Because of that fact, your opinion can't be viewed as objective.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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JZVOL said:
The entire point was what did Bruce Pearl do to develop players? Never said there wasn't natural improvement from Chism, never said I didn't like him, never said he didn't play tough post D.

So you are saying he developed a three in the summer between his HS SR year and frosh year at UT? Because his 3 % went down slightly while at UT.

Also you one of the areas you pointed to, to show his improvement were stats, which there is not a lot of difference in between his freshman season and senior season.
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Actually what you said was that chism improved minimally.
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pl3 said:
You're right. BP and staff had nothing to do with Chism's improvement and his overall career rankings in the SEC and UT. It was all Chism and his natural progression.
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So basically you don't know.
 
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shortgameVol said:
Regressed????????????????????

Many????

I can think of a couple that didn't get much better, but I can't honestly say anyone has regressed.

Care to name the many
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Now you are talking about Coach Joe B. Hall, the man who took high school All-Americans and made them shells of their former selves.

Derrick Hord regressed every year under Hall, by the time he was a senior he could barely dribble the ball. Hall has to rank at the top of the list

of coaches who did the least with the most.
 
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JZVOL said:
Yep.
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Which again is crazy. If you dont like Bruce that is fine but dont short the players because of it. Could you see chism doing the things as a freshman as he accomplished as a senior? Same goes for Lofton.
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jp1 said:
Which again is crazy. If you dont like Bruce that is fine but dont short the players because of it. Could you see chism doing the things as a freshman as he accomplished as a senior? Same goes for Lofton.
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Could you see Peyton Manning doing the things he did as a freshman he accomplished as a senior?

That goes for the majority of players that have ever played, in any sport.
 
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JZVOL said:
Could you see Peyton Manning doing the things he did as a freshman he accomplished as a senior?That goes for the majority of players that have ever played, in any sport.
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Coaches had nothing to do with that either. Addazio and Dave Clawson would have seen the same results. Cutcliffe had nothing to do with it.
 
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pl3 said:
Coaches had nothing to do with that either. Addazio and Dave Clawson would have seen the same results. Cutcliffe had nothing to do with it.
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True, Cut was the only coach who could have squeezed out what little talent the Mannings have into number one draft picks.
 
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JZVOL said:
Could you see Peyton Manning doing the things he did as a freshman he accomplished as a senior?

That goes for the majority of players that have ever played, in any sport.
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So would peyton's improvement been termed "minimal"?
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JZVOL said:
True, Cut was the only coach who could have squeezed out what little talent the Mannings have into number one draft picks.
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So does any coach help improve a player then?
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JZVOL said:
True, Cut was the only coach who could have squeezed out what little talent the Mannings have into number one draft picks.
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You like hypotheticals: like Chism could have done the same without BP and staff and Peyton could have done the same without his support staff.

I'd rather deal with what actually happened. Frankly, the only thing I'm getting from you is that coaches are basically worthless and that players improve because of their natural progression, and the regression is solely on the coach.

Your hate is blinding your judgement.
 
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Orange Bison said:
This^. Wheezy also started drawing much more attention from opposing teams. Gosh BP haters how did BP win all those games with 6straight NCAAs, 2 sweet sixteens, and an Elite 8? He didn't develop players, didn't recruit well, was a horrible floor coach, and now many players regressed during his tenure (which happens in every program BTW). It's a miracle he won a game.
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Your right about the haters. Pearl was bad at everything he did. All Pearl could do was WIN.
 
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