you libs should be happy about this./Obama may end military's ban on gays (merged)

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I think humans are more complex than to be weighed and measured by one aspect of their being, be it sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever. I can't think of many scenarios where being "openly" gay makes one less able to do their job than one who is secretly gay.
 
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wonder if joe would have tried to run the guy off the road that I saw yesterday with the Pride and Ellen Rocks stickers on his car.
 
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Do any of you think that there could end up being certain branches or segments of armed forces that men and women would not want to sign up for because a gay climate has become prevalent there? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, trying to look at the situation from the worst possible to the best possible scenarios.
 
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This thread is proof of why we don't need a politics forum.

What if one of our biggest 5* recruits comes in, helps us to a NC, wins the Heisman, etc...say we get a UT Tebow, but he is gay.

Should we kick him off the team?
 
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Voldaddy said:
This thread is proof of why we don't need a politics forum.

What if one of our biggest 5* recruits comes in, helps us to a NC, wins the Heisman, etc...say we get a UT Tebow, but he is gay.

Should we kick him off the team?
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Florida hasn't kicked him off the team, I don't see why we would.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do any of you think that there could end up being certain branches or segments of armed forces that men and women would not want to sign up for because a gay climate has become prevalent there? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, trying to look at the situation from the worst possible to the best possible scenarios.
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I don't think so.

I've never served in uniform, but I work on a daily basis with warfighters for my job.

I may be wrong, but from what I gather the military is so structured that I don't see any "climate" taking over. Somebody else may have a more informed opinion though.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do any of you think that there could end up being certain branches or segments of armed forces that men and women would not want to sign up for because a gay climate has become prevalent there? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, trying to look at the situation from the worst possible to the best possible scenarios.
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Nope. There are probably a few ignorant souls it will affect, but then again, you probably don't want them in the armed forces anyway
 
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Voldaddy said:
This thread is proof of why we don't need a politics forum.

What if one of our biggest 5* recruits comes in, helps us to a NC, wins the Heisman, etc...say we get a UT Tebow, but he is gay.

Should we kick him off the team?
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No absolutely not. The only difference in the comparisons you drew was that college football is college football. Armed conflict is a different animal altogether. There should be some discourse about the pros and cons before implementing policy like this. JMO.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do any of you think that there could end up being certain branches or segments of armed forces that men and women would not want to sign up for because a gay climate has become prevalent there? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, trying to look at the situation from the worst possible to the best possible scenarios.
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Someone being gay doesn't mean that their orientation is in your face. It is likely you have worked with or been acquainted with someone that is gay and not known it. I think a lot of homophobic attitudes are perpetuated by not having direct experience with openly gay people.

If gays in the military insisted on rainbow patches and holding hands while marching in step I could see a problem as well, but that is a silly caricature of what society expects that has no real reasoning behind it. Gays would function as straights do now, or how gays function now for that matter.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don't think so.

I've never served in uniform, but I work on a daily basis with warfighters for my job.

I may be wrong, but from what I gather the military is so structured that I don't see any "climate" taking over. Somebody else may have a more informed opinion though.
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I don't have any military experience either. Since I don't I was trying to take the best possible reason to deny homosexuals access to the military. Another poster had already given the best reason to allow them access, replacing good people at critical positions isn't easy to do in a quick manner some times.
 
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My only real concern would be if someone talks with a stereotypical effiminate lisp and no one takes them seriously it's "only because they're gay".
 
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IPorange said:
Someone being gay doesn't mean that their orientation is in your face. It is likely you have worked with or been acquainted with someone that is gay and not known it. I think a lot of homophobic attitudes are perpetuated by not having direct experience with openly gay people.

If gays in the military insisted on rainbow patches and holding hands while marching in step I could see a problem as well, but that is a silly caricature of what society expects that has no real reasoning behind it. Gays would function as straights do now, or how gays function now for that matter.
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you mean like this?

atmosphere-2007-gay-pride-parade-lccJow.jpg
 
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Voldaddy said:
This thread is proof of why we don't need a politics forum.

What if one of our biggest 5* recruits comes in, helps us to a NC, wins the Heisman, etc...say we get a UT Tebow, but he is gay.

Should we kick him off the team?
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we've already had gay players in the past and I'm sure we will have more.
 
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KB5252 said:
No absolutely not. The only difference in the comparisons you drew was that college football is college football. Armed conflict is a different animal altogether. There should be some discourse about the pros and cons before implementing policy like this. JMO.
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Kellen Winslow disagrees.
 
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IPorange said:
Someone being gay doesn't mean that their orientation is in your face. It is likely you have worked with or been acquainted with someone that is gay and not known it. I think a lot of homophobic attitudes are perpetuated by not having direct experience with openly gay people.

If gays in the military insisted on rainbow patches and holding hands while marching in step I could see a problem as well, but that is a silly caricature of what society expects that has no real reasoning behind it. Gays would function as straights do now, or how gays function now for that matter.
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I have known and been related to enough gay people to pick up on the subtle nuances many would miss. I don't even pretend to be able to pick up on every persons sexuality that I may meet. I do know from experience there are a couple of basic types of gay people. As my family member would say there are your "flamers" and your "normal" gay person. The flamers would be very unlikely to seek out service in the military.
 
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KB5252 said:
I have known and been related to enough gay people to pick up on the subtle nuances many would miss. I don't even pretend to be able to pick up on every persons sexuality that I may meet. I do know from experience there are a couple of basic types of gay people. As my family member would say there are your "flamers" and your "normal" gay person. The flamers would be very unlikely to seek out service in the military.
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Exactly. Just like heterosexual pansies don't seek out military service.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do any of you think that there could end up being certain branches or segments of armed forces that men and women would not want to sign up for because a gay climate has become prevalent there? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, trying to look at the situation from the worst possible to the best possible scenarios.
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No. The gay sterotype is a dying fear amoung the simple minded. Most people view hetrosexual, homosexual, interracial, and intercultural relationships as nothing more than what it is. A relationship between two people that I couldn't care less about.

Also, I can't think of anywhere a "gay climate" has made me avoid. I watch out for "foot tappers" in public restrooms but that's about it...
 
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KB5252 said:
Kellen Winslow is a tool of the first order. He has no clue what a real "soldier" is. Nice comeback though!
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Well, if he's a soldier, then the pavement he collided with was obviously an entire army.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
No. The gay sterotype is a dying fear amoung the simple minded. Most people view hetrosexual, homosexual, interracial, and intercultural relationships as nothing more than what it is. A relationship between two people that I couldn't care less about.

Also, I can't think of anywhere a "gay climate" has made me avoid. I watch out for "foot tappers" in public restrooms but that's about it...
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What about the club scene in San Fran?
 
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