You wanna complain fine, but quit acting as if the seasons over

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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, look forward to your insight next year when Martin's on the Tennessee sideline.
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You will probably support that and we'll keep losing and hoping to scrape into a tourney. Congrats to us. Maybe you'll have some advanced stats or anecdotal wins to make it sound better.

RPI us. That's the stuff of geniuses.

You played ball for a college coach and know what it is? You know what coaches do? This where you get your "insight?"
 
#327
#327
patrick said:
But if according to what bTo has stated in this thread and Tennessee does what they have done in the past two seasons, that means that the Vols will lose 6 more games and will finish the season at 20 and 10. Unless they win two games convincingly in the SECT then I doubt seriously that they will receive an at large bid given the losses we have suffered coupled with CCM's lack of cred with the AA and the weakness of the SEC. But as said before these threads will continue with bTo at the helm.

And that is what the board was created for - discussion....
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Stumbling into the dance with a talented but very poorly coached team isn't what this program should be after. Lauding a handful of "rpi" wins is the height of sad.

Let's talk about what this team is trying to execute and how we outcoach people. Left to our ability to outshoot people, it's always going to be a handful. Let's win when we don't have touch.
 
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#328
InVOLuntary said:
The same ugly traits keep rearing their ugly heads.

1. Cuonzo can't make in-game adjustments. When a team changes an offensive strategy or takes something you're doing away, he's unable to counter. Happens frequently.

2. Lack of emotion from Cuonzo on the bench. Like it or not college basketball is a game of emotion. You can't tell by Cuonzo whether we're up by 20, tied with 2 seconds to go, or down by 20. When the other team raises their intensity level we can't match it. It's like he's on lithium or something.
I personally don't think he'll ever win at a high level because of his personality. He simply does not display any level of energy.
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I can agree with both points but especially the bolded. His lack of emotion is what drives me nuts. I just can't get used to his personality but it's definitely not from lack of trying. He needs to show fire and get pissed off because so many ticky tack fouls are being called on his team. Give the ref a piece of your mind and if you get T'd up, then so be it. Who knows it might even fire up the team.
 
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#329
bleedingTNorange said:
So it's gonna end with us missing out, that's what you're saying? Boss up!

My stance has been the same since page 1. Criticize all you want, it's warranted, but to act as if we are in worse shape than the previous 2 years is beyond idiotic.
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Based on his history? Yes, unless we win some games in the SEC tourney. And what did the last 2 years get us? NIT bids.

The fact that we're even having to discuss whether this team makes the tourney should tell you all you need to know, but you're happy and content just to make the dance. That's pathetic. This team should be solidly in and win some games, but we'll be hanging on by our fingernails yet again come March. Watch.
 
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#330
The loss last night was not terrible. The infidels from A & M got lucky. The coaching of Cuonzo Martin is impregnable. A NCAA tourney bid will soon be ours!!!

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BigPapaVol said:
Stumbling into the dance with a talented but very poorly coached team isn't what this program should be after. Lauding a handful of "rpi" wins is the height of sad.

Let's talk about what this team is trying to execute and how we outcoach people. Left to our ability to outshoot people, it's always going to be a handful. Let's win when we don't have touch.
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FYI I do not agree with bTo I was just making a point based off what he has said previously in this thread and others. Frankly I believe that CCM is a mediocre coach at best and that with him at the helm the Vols may make the NCAAT 1 out of 4 years if that. CCM has taken a program that went to six straight NCAAT's and turned it into a perennial bubble team!!!!!!!!

And this year is pretty much just like his two prior years. I do not think that CCM is remotely close to being a good bball coach. People say he is intense, well if flat affect and introversion is "intense" then well whatever. Mediocre coach gets you mediocre results; to this point it has has been established by CCM himself that Tennessee under his leadership is nothing more than a bubble team.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
21-10 likely has us in
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We, basically, had that last year, and nothing. Plus, to scrape by with the talent in this group just would further prove Martin's lack of coaching ability.

And, this is it. He's not getting a better team together than the one he has now. We are perennial NIT participants with Martin, even if he manages to do it this year.

By the way, I got into a big argument over "Pops" value in wasting a scholarship at the time he signed. I think the returns, so far, bear out the idea that we shouldn't have shown him a scholarship.
 
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#335
bleedingTNorange said:
We were 19-11 with a much worse SOS, that's much different than 21-10 this year.
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We are a long way from 21 wins this year especially if CCM's history after 1/11 (as you quoted earlier) is followed this year - that would mean six more losses which gives us 20 wins in a weak arsss conference.
 
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#336
Unimane said:
Hardly, "much different" between 21-10 and 19-11. And, the SOS won't be much different, either. Highly doubtful that we are 21-10, anyway.
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SOS won't be much different?

Last year SOS was 71, this year it's currently 20, and projected to end around 30, that's quite a difference man.

That's why there's a big difference between 21-10 this year and 19-11 last year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
SOS won't be much different?

Last year SOS was 71, this year it's currently 20, and projected to end around 30, that's quite a difference man.

That's why there's a big difference between 21-10 this year and 19-11 last year.
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Looking at the remainder of our schedule getting to 20-21 looks a lot harder than getting to the first 10 provided we continue to play at the same level. What would you think would be our 10 wins left?
 
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wtorange said:
Looking at the remainder of our schedule getting to 20-21 looks a lot harder than getting to the first 10 provided we continue to play at the same level. What would you think would be our 10 wins left?
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With this team there's no telling. If they can beat LSU on the road by 20 they can win 10 more SEC games, at the same time if they lose at home to A&M they can lose to anyone.

If the team stays focused and motivated they can win 10 more easily, they lose track of the goal like last night and they'll struggle to reach that mark.
 
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#339
I wondered the exact same thing about slowing the game to a crawl and running two high posts the entire second half. Made absolutely no sense.

Also our offensive efficiency is high because we're a good offensive rebounding team, not because we run an efficient offense.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
SOS won't be much different?

Last year SOS was 71, this year it's currently 20, and projected to end around 30, that's quite a difference man.

That's why there's a big difference between 21-10 this year and 19-11 last year.
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Last year was in the mid-50s and I wouldn't be so sure the crappy SEC will bring this year down further.

Regardless, we are getting to 21 wind without some kind of miracle, i.e. the SEC is worse than even expected.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
With this team there's no telling. If they can beat LSU on the road by 20 they can win 10 more SEC games, at the same time if they lose at home to A&M they can lose to anyone.

If the team stays focused and motivated they can win 10 more easily, they lose track of the goal like last night and they'll struggle to reach that mark.
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This team is a lot like Jerry Green's teams. They will look good against good teams in some games they win (see Xavier, Wake Forest, Virginia, LSU) but will inexplicably lose games to teams they should beat (see UTEP, NC State, Texas A&M). With a good coach, this team was capable of 25 wins. With Cuonzo, 20 appears to be the ceiling.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So it's gonna end with us missing out, that's what you're saying? Boss up!

My stance has been the same since page 1. Criticize all you want, it's warranted, but to act as if we are in worse shape than the previous 2 years is beyond idiotic.
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So obviously in your eyes there is an improvement that has stemmed from ccm's coaching over the last year? Just out of curiosity if the decision was left up to you would you retain martin for one more year?
 
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The problem isn't that we are in a worse situation than the last two years, it's that we're in the same situation as the last two years and with a more talented team.
 
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cpavol said:
This team is a lot like Jerry Green's teams. They will look good against good teams in some games they win (see Xavier, Wake Forest, Virginia, LSU) but will inexplicably lose games to teams they should beat (see UTEP, NC State, Texas A&M). With a good coach, this team was capable of 25 wins. With Cuonzo, 20 appears to be the ceiling.
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Martin couldnt motivate a bum to walk across the street for a free bottle of whiskey. Those players lack of energy and laziness Saturday was disgusting. I just wonder what Bob Knight would have done with them.
 
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allvol21 said:
So obviously in your eyes there is an improvement that has stemmed from ccm's coaching over the last year? Just out of curiosity if the decision was left up to you would you retain martin for one more year?
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I wouldn't make that decision at this point, it would be foolish, which is why Martin isn't making a decision tonight.

Ask me in March.
 
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#350
Unimane said:
The problem isn't that we are in a worse situation than the last two years, it's that we're in the same situation as the last two years and with a more talented team.
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On January 12, 2012:

Record: 8-8
SEC Record: 1-1
RPI: 200
Good Wins: 1
Bad Losses: 3



On January 12, 2013:

Record: 8-6
SEC Record: 0-2
RPI: 99
Good Wins: 1
Bad Losses: 1



On January 12, 2014:

Record: 10-5
SEC Record: 1-1
RPI: 54
Good Wins: 2
Bad Losses: 2



I would hardly consider that to be the same, we are in a better position than the previous 2 years, even after last night.
 
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