'10 GA QB Hutson Mason

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CountVolcula said:
Rees just committed to Notre Dame! That would explain why we are talking to Mason again.
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Doesn't surprise me. As I said before, if he was going to commit to us, he would have already done so.

He can go to Notre Dame and sit for 4 years, which he would have done at UT anyways.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
This sucks.
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Why? Because a QB that has been built up as our only hope for the future by some posters on a message board may commit elsewhere? Everyone latched on to Heaps as a must have.. He then commited to BYU, so everyone seemed to latch on to Brunetti and Scroggins as our only hope.

Just sign a QB that can manage the game, has enough of an arm to pose a deep threat, and can read a D well enough to not get picked off 4 times a game.

While Mason may not be the answer, I am sure we could do much worse than him.
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Let's just hope Rettig accepts our offer and then go from there on the speculation train! :dance2:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think the fact that we are revisiting Mason now may be very telling where we stand with Scroggins.
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I don't think it is 100% true. I think they are tired of waiting and have given Scroggins every opportunity to commit. I feel the attitude is we can't wait any ore and must move on to someone that actually wants to play here. We need a QB and this QB fiasco is holding up other recruits that want to commit. Recruits won't commit because they don't know who our QB solution is. Prater, Cobbs Milton etc. Rettig's name is getting out there more now, and recruits are seeing it's between UT and USC. That helps in the long run with other recruits. Thinking that if he's going to either school he must be talented.
 
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HonoluluVol said:
I don't think it is 100% true. I think they are tired of waiting and have given Scroggins every opportunity to commit. I feel the attitude is we can't wait any ore and must move on to someone that actually wants to play here. We need a QB and this QB fiasco is holding up other recruits that want to commit. Recruits won't commit because they don't know who our QB solution is. Prater, Cobbs Milton etc. Rettig's name is getting out there more now, and recruits are seeing it's between UT and USC. That helps in the long run with other recruits. Thinking that if he's going to either school he must be talented.
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You maybe right
 
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HonoluluVol said:
I don't think it is 100% true. I think they are tired of waiting and have given Scroggins every opportunity to commit. I feel the attitude is we can't wait any ore and must move on to someone that actually wants to play here. We need a QB and this QB fiasco is holding up other recruits that want to commit. Recruits won't commit because they don't know who our QB solution is. Prater, Cobbs Milton etc. Rettig's name is getting out there more now, and recruits are seeing it's between UT and USC. That helps in the long run with other recruits. Thinking that if he's going to either school he must be talented.
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And as I have said before, UT wants a QB now, not later. That's why the Scroggins time table is so confusing. I really don't think that the coaching staff is going to wait around for him to decide, and in fact we may have already moved on with the whole deal because of the offer to Rettig and the fact we are revisiting Hutson Mason.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
And as I have said before, UT wants a QB now, not later. That's why the Scroggins time table is so confusing. I really don't think that the coaching staff is going to wait around for him to decide, and in fact we may have already moved on with the whole deal because of the offer to Rettig and the fact we are revisiting Hutson Mason.
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Our staff is scrambling. there is no other way to state it. We are striking out on filling a need to help boost this recruiting class and have now gone to scramble mode.

I can almost guarantee the QB we commit soon for 2010 class, will not be someone who ends up as a starter at QB in the future. He will supplement the position and be recruited over most likely. I think that was going to happen with Scroggins and it is almost sure to happen with who they get.

I say almost because NO ONE can predict which kids will turn into certain college stars their final season. Quite possibly no one.

The analyst are not just saying this is the worse QB class they have seen any 20 years for no reason.

jmo
 
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its just our bad luck that we need a qb in a class that is devoid of any real star power past Bell and Heaps.
 
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Remember guys, Sam Bradford and Colt Mcoy were both 3* guys. Crompton was the cream of the crop and look at him. Rettig has the tools just needs some refining. I believe Kiffin will take care of that if he comes. Besides he could wind up a high 4* by the time his senior year is done.
 
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rexvol said:
its just our bad luck that we need a qb in a class that is devoid of any real star power past Bell and Heaps.
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I heard from the Hawaii QB Camp that Bell was pretty raw and not as advanced as the hype has been. There were 2-3 QB's that looked better than him. And Rettig Blew up.

Tom Luginbill: California QB prospect Chase Rettig showed that he could be among the best signal-callers in the Class of 2010 with his play at Steve Clarkson's Super Seven Quarterback Academy. - ESPN
 
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LWSVOL said:
Our staff is scrambling. there is no other way to state it. We are striking out on filling a need to help boost this recruiting class and have now gone to scramble mode.

I can almost guarantee the QB we commit soon for 2010 class, will not be someone who ends up as a starter at QB in the future. He will supplement the position and be recruited over most likely. I think that was going to happen with Scroggins and it is almost sure to happen with who they get.

I say almost because NO ONE can predict which kids will turn into certain college stars their final season. Quite possibly no one.

The analyst are not just saying this is the worse QB class they have seen any 20 years for no reason.

jmo
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Good post. And very true. It's a shame though because we really need to get a QB in this class that has real starting potential. Scroggins is the only one left that fits that bill. Rettig has too many question marks. His upside is big, but he may never pan out.
g8terh8ter_eric said:
And as I have said before, UT wants a QB now, not later. That's why the Scroggins time table is so confusing. I really don't think that the coaching staff is going to wait around for him to decide, and in fact we may have already moved on with the whole deal because of the offer to Rettig and the fact we are revisiting Hutson Mason.
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Again, that makes no sense, Eric. No QB but Scroggins is going to help in any significant way with recruiting. This staff still plans on taking two QBs and I don't think they are concerned at all with when it happens. They went ahead and offered Rettig after saying they were going to wait because he was set to commit to BC. They couldn't afford not to offer him.

There is no advantage in getting a QB commit now rather than three weeks from now. And besides, Rettig may wait just as long in making a decision. The coaches have no way of knowing. You miss on this one.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Again, that makes no sense, Eric. No QB but Scroggins is going to help in any significant way with recruiting. This staff still plans on taking two QBs and I don't think they are concerned at all with when it happens. They went ahead and offered Rettig after saying they were going to wait because he was set to commit to BC. They couldn't afford not to offer him.

There is no advantage in getting a QB commit now rather than three weeks from now. And besides, Rettig may wait just as long in making a decision. The coaches have no way of knowing. You miss on this one.
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We have offered at least 2 and maybe 3 (Hutson Mason) in the past week. That tells me that I don't believe the coaches are confident about Scroggins nor do they really want to wait either. Right now, QB's are dropping like flies and if we wait for Scroggins and he snubs us, we are up crap creek without a paddle.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Good post. And very true. It's a shame though because we really need to get a QB in this class that has real starting potential. Scroggins is the only one left that fits that bill. Rettig has too many question marks. His upside is big, but he may never pan out.


Again, that makes no sense, Eric. No QB but Scroggins is going to help in any significant way with recruiting. This staff still plans on taking two QBs and I don't think they are concerned at all with when it happens. They went ahead and offered Rettig after saying they were going to wait because he was set to commit to BC. They couldn't afford not to offer him.

There is no advantage in getting a QB commit now rather than three weeks from now. And besides, Rettig may wait just as long in making a decision. The coaches have no way of knowing. You miss on this one.
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Sab, I have to disagree. First, objectively there is no reason to believe Scroggins is any closer to being SEC starter ready then Rettig. Scroggins physically needs to get stronger to improve arm strength. Until he does we will have safeties creeping up and more guys in the box. And we are supposed to be a running team?

Rettig has some say the strongest arm in the nation. He has good QB coaches and is working on improving his touch. He displayed it at the most recent camp. He is physically a prototypical pro-style QB. He may not move around the pocket while looking like a dancer or say things like "running is not my forte" (seriously what kind of 17 year old talks like that) but he is the better prospect physically and mentally.

They both need a year as a back up before taking over but what QB doesn't. Even Manning was not a stud his freshmen year.

Second, Rettig if he waits is seriously considering BC and/or prefers USC. So if he does not commit by end of week I would say we are in super scramble mode not just scramble mode.

Not saying Scroggins is for sure lost but anyone who believes he is not at least a very strong USC lean is drinking the orange koolaid. :hi:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We have offered at least 2 and maybe 3 (Hutson Mason) in the past week. That tells me that I don't believe the coaches are confident about Scroggins nor do they really want to wait either. Right now, QB's are dropping like flies and if we wait for Scroggins and he snubs us, we are up crap creek without a paddle.
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Why would they not be willing to wait three weeks for a QB commit? Signing Day is not until February and as I already pointed out, there isn't a high profile guy out there except Scroggins who is going to have any significant impact on recruiting. The only reason for the offers is because these guys are close to committing and we simply can't afford not to offer.

And we have not offered Hutson Mason. If we are down to taking a commitment from him we are in real trouble. This guy is not going to ever contribute in any significant way here. We are likely continuing to stay somewhat in touch with him and continue to evaluate him this fall. Because that's the smart thing to do. Mason probably embellished the level of interest a bit as most recruits are prone to do.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
1. Why would they not be willing to wait three weeks for a QB commit? Signing Day is not until February and as I already pointed out, there isn't a high profile guy out there except Scroggins who is going to have any significant impact on recruiting. The only reason for the offers is because these guys are close to committing and we simply can't afford not to offer.

2. And we have not offered Hutson Mason. If we are down to taking a commitment from him we are in real trouble. This guy is not going to ever contribute in any significant way here. We are likely continuing to stay somewhat in touch with him and continue to evaluate him this fall. Because that's the smart thing to do. Mason probably embellished the level of interest a bit as most recruits are prone to do.
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1. Because they never wanted to wait this long in the first place. The plan was to have one committed by camp or before, and that didn't happen.

2. He's rumored to be close or may have a verbal offer, there is nothing in stone. He may or may not ever play here, but if he can effectively manage the game he will be fine.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Sab, I have to disagree. First, objectively there is no reason to believe Scroggins is any closer to being SEC starter ready then Rettig. Scroggins physically needs to get stronger to improve arm strength. Until he does we will have safeties creeping up and more guys in the box. And we are supposed to be a running team?

Rettig has some say the strongest arm in the nation. He has good QB coaches and is working on improving his touch. He displayed it at the most recent camp. He is physically a prototypical pro-style QB. He may not move around the pocket while looking like a dancer or say things like "running is not my forte" (seriously what kind of 17 year old talks like that) but he is the better prospect physically and mentally.

They both need a year as a back up before taking over but what QB doesn't. Even Manning was not a stud his freshmen year.

Second, Rettig if he waits is seriously considering BC and/or prefers USC. So if he does not commit by end of week I would say we are in super scramble mode not just scramble mode.

Not saying Scroggins is for sure lost but anyone who believes he is not at least a very strong USC lean is drinking the orange koolaid. :hi:
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Dude, there is a reason Scroggins has a myriad of offers from high profile schools including USC and the national champs and Rettig is just now getting offers after almost every other QB prospect is off the table.

Yes, Rettig has a strong arm, but as I'm sure you are aware there is much more than that that goes in to quarterbacking and there is little evidence based on film that Rettig has those other qualities. He is clumsy on film, not especially accurate. Doesn't have a full arsenal of throws, really he just has one. He depends on his arm way too much because that's his only real strength.

Scroggins may not have as strong an arm, but he has everything else you look for. He is one of the top 3 QBs in the country IMO and he's not a guy you get just for depth. You anticipate this guy becomes your starter.

I agree with you that he is likely USC-bound, but all of a sudden when that becomes apparent, you guys turn on him and throw your hero worship in Chase Rettig's direction. Not surprising, but he's the same prospect at USC that he would be here. If Scroggins commits to us he's the next big thing, if he goes to USC then he was overrated and we are better off without him. I know how it goes. I've seen it before.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. Because they never wanted to wait this long in the first place. The plan was to have one committed by camp or before, and that didn't happen.
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The plan was to have a Heaps or a Scroggins commit that would attract recruits. Now that that doesn't seem likely it doesn't matter. I just told you that.
2. He's rumored to be close or may have a verbal offer, there is nothing in stone. He may or may not ever play here, but if he can effectively manage the game he will be fine.
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Where are these rumors coming from? I haven't seen them and I don't believe them. Mason isn't a guy you give a scholarship to at this point even if all other avenues are exhausted. Cam Newton is much more likely to get an offer and he's on kind of the same plan IMO. Wait until fall, further evaluate and if he's good enough, take him. Mason is not good enough.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
1. The plan was to have a Heaps or a Scroggins commit that would attract recruits. Now that that doesn't seem likely it doesn't matter. I just told you that.

Where are these rumors coming from? I haven't seen them and I don't believe them. Mason isn't a guy you give a scholarship to at this point even if all other avenues are exhausted. Cam Newton is much more likely to get an offer and he's on kind of the same plan IMO. Wait until fall, further evaluate and if he's good enough, take him. Mason is not good enough.
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The plan was to have a QB period committed by this time so that way we can sell them to other prospects. Heaps we really never a possibility and that was determined back in April. As far as Scroggins goes, you saw where he wanted to play when you watched his USC camp film. His miraculous recovery was what sealed that deal, IMO.

As far as the rumors go, it a combination of hints that Mason has dropped in a recent article and the fact that we have been recruiting him hard for about a month now. I wouldn't be surprised if something came out with him having an offer soon.
 
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Sab, it is not me who was hero worshiping either way. I wanted Scroggins for who he brings. I think he is far from a big time QB recruit. I agree Rettig needs to do it on the field before we should not get too excited. As far as to your analysis of Rettig as clumsy and so on it is just not accurate. He is not as polished perhaps. But he is a regular looking QB back there not clumsy at all. The hopping in the pocket is something a lot of QBs do, including Manning at one point. He is faster then Scroggins and he is stronger. It is a fact he is a better athlete and has a better arm. He is accurate but not as accurate as Scroggins. It is easier to be accurate though when you are not rocketing it in there.

I have said this from the beginning on Scroggins. It is not surprising that rumor surfaced that Scroggins is scared of being the starter as a freshmen. He is not ready despite his swagger. I know others may just radically change there opinion but since I first saw his film I have not been high on him but high on the idea of him bringing this big package here. Which is sad if we miss out on all the recruits Scroggins would bring. Note: USC is recruiting most of these guys as well that is the real loss in this battle.

BTW-the under armour game or whatever it is-is for big time QBs. Rettig's lack of offers or not. He is a big time recruit in this class.
 
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I am hero worshiping on Grayson though that is my guy in this class. Maybe just cuz he wants to be a Vol so bad. :D
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The plan was to have a QB period committed by this time so that way we can sell them to other prospects. Heaps we really never a possibility and that was determined back in April. As far as Scroggins goes, you saw where he wanted to play when you watched his USC camp film. His miraculous recovery was what sealed that deal, IMO.
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Simply not true. If that were the case we would have canvassed the QB situation with offers. We didn't. We were selective with our offers. The plan all along, ever since Kiffin turned down Boyd, was to atrract a big-name guy. Guys like Rettig and Rees don't attract high profile recruits.
As far as the rumors go, it a combination of hints that Mason has dropped in a recent article and the fact that we have been recruiting him hard for about a month now. I wouldn't be surprised if something came out with him having an offer soon.
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I would be shocked. There are much better QBs than Mason out there right now that we haven't offered. We are simply keeping in touch with him in case he makes some improbable improvement this fall.
 
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