'15 TN DE Dylan Jackson (former UT commit)

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eazyTD said:
LSU247 has confirmed that Jackson will be in Baton Rogue this weekend. Their mods seem to think a flip is very, very likely.
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Any word about what happened with this visit? I know Maryville played on Thursday night so he would have had Friday to go down to corndog land. It will be interesting to see what happens with this. I do believe DJ wants to play DE at UT.
 
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CABVOL said:
Agree, but if the stories are true that he and his family only want him playing DE, then there is not a lot one can do if they are bound and determined not to put team first.
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Why do you think they are so adamant that he plays DE? His build seems a little more suited to OT. Reminds me of Witten who didn't want to move from DE at first.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why do you think they are so adamant that he plays DE? His build seems a little more suited to OT. Reminds me of Witten who didn't want to move from DE at first.
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IMO we are seeing exactly why signing true DE's to play OT is NOT a good idea at all, especially for this staff in the SEC. We are not seeing our OG's & OT's who have played the position for years playing very well or improving at all. How in the world can people think trying to teach a DE to play OT(which he does not do now) would work out better?

If UT's staff plans to play Jackson at OT, IMO he is gone.
 
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The problem we have at OT is that we are playing offensive guards at offensive tackle, because Dooley and Butch have not recruited true offensive tackles, with the exception of Blair, who has been a bust.
 
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Tux said:
The problem we have at OT is that we are playing offensive guards at offensive tackle, because Dooley and Butch have not recruited true offensive tackles, with the exception of Blair, who has been a bust.
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And IMO trying to sign a DE to convert to an OT would in no way be a step in the right direction to fixing the OL issues.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO we are seeing exactly why signing true DE's to play OT is NOT a good idea at all, especially for this staff in the SEC. We are not seeing our OG's & OT's who have played the position for years playing very well or improving at all. How in the world can people think trying to teach a DE to play OT(which he does not do now) would work out better?

If UT's staff plans to play Jackson at OT, IMO he is gone.
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You actually dont help your cause with that argument. The problem with our OT's right now is they don't have the length, speed, and agility to stop pass rushers. That is exactly what your get when you take athletic DEs with a big frame and make them an OT. And again, college OL learn how to play the position in college not high school. They basically start from scratch from a learning prospective.
 
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therickbol said:
You actually dont help your cause with that argument. The problem with our OT's right now is they don't have the length, speed, and agility to stop pass rushers. That is exactly what your get when you take athletic DEs with a big frame and make them an OT. And again, college OL learn how to play the position in college not high school. They basically start from scratch from a learning prospective.
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So why don't all college coaches focus on signing athletic DE's and turning them into OT's? Maybe you should let them all know how this all works? Top schools sign the best OT's coming out of HS. They then turn those guys into college and NFL OT's. The formula is pretty simple really as long as you have position coaches who can develop that talent.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
And IMO trying to sign a DE to convert to an OT would in no way be a step in the right direction to fixing the OL issues.
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It's all about athleticism and development. I think Thomas may be athletic enough, but he needs more time to develop. I can easily see a DE play OT. They just need time to develop. It won't fix the issues immediately, but I am not sure Jackson would play anywhere immediately, even at DE. JMO.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So why don't all college coaches focus on signing athletic DE's and turning them into OT's? Maybe you should let them all know how this all works? Top schools sign the best OT's coming out of HS. They then turn those guys into college and NFL OT's. The formula is pretty simple really as long as you have position coaches who can develop that talent.
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I don't have any research on it, but I am willing to bet that it happens more than you think. It just doesn't happen as much at the highest level because those teams are able to recruit five star tackles. In high school, good athletes play both sides, too.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So why don't all college coaches focus on signing athletic DE's and turning them into OT's? Maybe you should let them all know how this all works? Top schools sign the best OT's coming out of HS. They then turn those guys into college and NFL OT's. The formula is pretty simple really as long as you have position coaches who can develop that talent.
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It's funny that you're this oblivious to position changes.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So why don't all college coaches focus on signing athletic DE's and turning them into OT's? Maybe you should let them all know how this all works? Top schools sign the best OT's coming out of HS. They then turn those guys into college and NFL OT's. The formula is pretty simple really as long as you have position coaches who can develop that talent.
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Joe Thomas started at Wisconsin as a blocking TE his freshman year.

Jason Peters of the Eagles was recruited as a defensive tackle for Arkansas.

Joe Staley was a tight end.

Duane Brown was a tight end.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Trent Williams were recruited as guards.

That's 6 of the top 10 left tackles in the NFL that had a position change from high school to college. Does that make you reconsider your previous position in this argument? A position change, if you will...
 
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delfonic said:
Joe Thomas started at Wisconsin as a blocking TE his freshman year.

Jason Peters of the Eagles was recruited as a defensive tackle for Arkansas.

Joe Staley was a tight end.

Duane Brown was a tight end.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Trent Williams were recruited as guards.

That's 6 of the top 10 left tackles in the NFL that had a position change from high school to college. Does that make you reconsider your previous position in this argument? A position change, if you will...
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Solid post...good info.
 
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delfonic said:
Joe Thomas started at Wisconsin as a blocking TE his freshman year.

Jason Peters of the Eagles was recruited as a defensive tackle for Arkansas.

Joe Staley was a tight end.

Duane Brown was a tight end.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Trent Williams were recruited as guards.

That's 6 of the top 10 left tackles in the NFL that had a position change from high school to college. Does that make you reconsider your previous position in this argument? A position change, if you will...
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I highly doubt it..
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't have any research on it, but I am willing to bet that it happens more than you think. It just doesn't happen as much at the highest level because those teams are able to recruit five star tackles. In high school, good athletes play both sides, too.
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Had Jackson played OT at Maryville as well as DE, I would be very open to the idea. The fact that he has not played OL tells me a lot. The kid is a high D1 talent. If he transitions so well to OT, I can't help but think George Quarles would be playing him at OT now, at least some. It has been said Kyle Phillips plays OL & DL in HS and you would note in his thread I was open to the idea.

Another key factor in this is IMO is that it appears DJ himself does not like the idea of moving to the OL and learning a new position and HOPING it all works out. His planned visits IMO point to him being on his way out of UT's class. If Chavis wants him at DE, I think that is where he ends up IF the rumors are true that UT wants him at OT.

JMO
 
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delfonic said:
Joe Thomas started at Wisconsin as a blocking TE his freshman year.

Jason Peters of the Eagles was recruited as a defensive tackle for Arkansas.

Joe Staley was a tight end.

Duane Brown was a tight end.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Trent Williams were recruited as guards.

That's 6 of the top 10 left tackles in the NFL that had a position change from high school to college. Does that make you reconsider your previous position in this argument? A position change, if you will...
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In this situation with the kid/family looking to be against
the idea of a move to OL, I'd have to say NO.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Had Jackson played OT at Maryville as well as DE, I would be very open to the idea. The fact that he has not played OL tells me a lot. The kid is a high D1 talent. If he transitions so well to OT, I can't help but think George Quarles would be playing him at OT now, at least some. It has been said Kyle Phillips plays OL & DL in HS and you would note in his thread I was open to the idea.

Another key factor in this is IMO is that it appears DJ himself does not like the idea of moving to the OL and learning a new position and HOPING it all works out. His planned visits IMO point to him being on his way out of UT's class. If Chavis wants him at DE, I think that is where he ends up IF the rumors are true that UT wants him at OT.

JMO
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I thought he did play OT at Merryville.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Had Jackson played OT at Maryville as well as DE, I would be very open to the idea. The fact that he has not played OL tells me a lot. The kid is a high D1 talent. If he transitions so well to OT, I can't help but think George Quarles would be playing him at OT now, at least some. It has been said Kyle Phillips plays OL & DL in HS and you would note in his thread I was open to the idea.

Another key factor in this is IMO is that it appears DJ himself does not like the idea of moving to the OL and learning a new position and HOPING it all works out. His planned visits IMO point to him being on his way out of UT's class. If Chavis wants him at DE, I think that is where he ends up IF the rumors are true that UT wants him at OT.

JMO
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Maryville is not a typical high school football program. At most likely every other school in the state he would play OL. It is just not necessary at Maryville. It keeps him fresh on defense by not making him play both ways. It is the way all high school coaches would prefer to do it. But the talent is just not there for high school teams to NOT play their best players both ways. Maryville is one of the few exceptions. We still have no idea what is ultimately the plan. The plan and intention could certainly be for him to be a career DE. This debate is really more in the context of, if he is beat out by the other DE's on the roster does he have the potential to play OT? Yes is the answer. He has all the tools needed to be a 3-down DE. And this is a positive, he also has all the tools to be a high caliber OT. That is not a slight at his ability at DE. A lot of DE's have the speed, agility, footwork, and hips to be an OT. They do not all have the length, frame to add the proper weight, and strength to play OT. He does.
 
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therickbol said:
Maryville is not a typical high school football program. At most likely every other school in the state he would play OL. It is just not necessary at Maryville. It keeps him fresh on defense by not making him play both ways. It is the way all high school coaches would prefer to do it. But the talent is just not there for high school teams to NOT play their best players both ways. Maryville is one of the few exceptions. We still have no idea what is ultimately the plan. The plan and intention could certainly be for him to be a career DE. This debate is really more in the context of, if he is beat out by the other DE's on the roster does he have the potential to play OT? Yes is the answer. He has all the tools needed to be a 3-down DE. And this is a positive, he also has all the tools to be a high caliber OT. That is not a slight at his ability at DE. A lot of DE's have the speed, agility, footwork, and hips to be an OT. They do not all have the length, frame to add the proper weight, and strength to play OT. He does.
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I agree with the mindset. The problem is some of these things work out and some don't. For every one that does and the player transitions to another position many more do not. Just look at UT the last 5-6 years. How many kids have been moved from WR to CB to RB back to CB and then back to WR or DE to DT to OL and then they transfer and they never seem to get any better? Why? Because moving a kid somewhere else never assures you of the kid being better at the new position. He's then lost all the time learning, adding/losing weight, and falls further behind. Next thing you know he's pushed aside to make room for the next new guy coming in and maybe they can try it all again and hope it works out this time.

If I'm a coach and I know I need OT help today, I'm not looking to sign DE's in those spots. Especially when the OG's/OT's I am currently working with don't seem to be getting any better. IMO, that is the biggest issue right now.
 
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He has played OT in the past at Murville.

There was a rumor on TOS earlier this year that he told the coaches he wouldn't play OT because he didn't want schools to have film on him at the position for fear he may be moved there.

I don't know how credible that rumor is.
 
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westside said:
He has played OT in the past at Murville.

There was a rumor on TOS earlier this year that he told the coaches he wouldn't play OT because he didn't want schools to have film on him at the position for fear he may be moved there.

I don't know how credible that rumor is.
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If that is true we don't need him.If he is not willing to try a position to help the team and his self.Don't need the me first attitude.
 
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westside said:
He has played OT in the past at Murville.

There was a rumor on TOS earlier this year that he told the coaches he wouldn't play OT because he didn't want schools to have film on him at the position for fear he may be moved there.

I don't know how credible that rumor is.
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If that happens to be true, then how stupid of him! You could potentially have two positions that give you a chance to make it past the college level, yet you want to limit yourself to only one position, that may not even be your best.
 
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Jason Witten started out at DE, he did not want to move initially. We all know how that turned out. GO VOLS!!!
 
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tn4elvis said:
If that is true we don't need him.If he is not willing to try a position to help the team and his self.Don't need the me first attitude.
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Easy for a fan on a message board to say. It's not your career at risk. I can't blame the kid at all if he wants to play the position in college that he plays now in HS. He says WTH and just plays where they want to play him and he could be risking any hope he has to play in the NFL, IF that is a possibility for him. Why should a kid just agree to move to a new position before he even signs a LOI when many other schools like him at DE? So the fans can call him a "team player"? Give me a break. If the kid does not think he wants to be an OT, and or would not be happy doing it, why should he? It is his decision. I think it's clear with him planning visits to LSU and other places that the OT talk has him headed out the door and probably won't really matter for UT.
 
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