2014-2015 roster

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jknox33 said:
There are real concerns with the roster for next year, but they are just unknowns at this point. We don't really know how much of a concern they will be at this juncture because no games have been played yet.

There is a very slight chance Stokes comes back if he doesn't get the projection he wants and this is projected to be one of the stronger classes in recent memory. Sure, he could play overseas but it's widely known he wants to play in the NBA.

I believe we have play makers and outside shot takers now and coming in (Hubbs, Austin, Thompson, Richardson, Armani). Biggest question is consistent post offense. Honestly, I really would have liked a guy like Hurt who has proven he has offensive power. Cofer is athletic and an energy guy. Turman is a physical presence. Both will be good defensive players, but their polish in the post will determine a lot for our future.
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I agree on all of that. I think Phillip Cofer has a chance to be a star and an instant starter next season if he progresses like I think he will. He is vastly underrated and I think he can step right in next season and start from day 1. Go Vols!
 
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rocky200663 said:
I agree on all of that. I think Phillip Cofer has a chance to be a star and an instant starter next season if he progresses like I think he will. He is vastly underrated and I think he can step right in next season and start from day 1. Go Vols!
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reminds me of Kenneth Faried
 
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Martin is going to have to do some real development this season, because the 2014-2015 team looks to be his least talented (from a recruiting standpoint) by a large margin. In terms of RSCI top 100 recruits, this is how his rosters have stacked up while he's been at UT:

2011- 6 top 100 recruits: Woolridge- 70th/2008; Hall- 62nd/2009; Maymon- 73/2009; McRae- Golden- 86th/2010; Stokes- (not technically listed on RSCI top 100 because of mid-year qualifier, but he's a top 100)/2011.
2012- 4 top 100 recruits: McRae; Golden; Stokes; Hall.
2013- 4 top 100 recruits: McRae; Maymon; Stokes; Hubbs- 22nd/2013.

2014-2015: possibly only 1 top 100 recruit in Hubbs. Austin didn't make the cut into the top 100, although he may in the final cut in May. Still, Martin hasn't been able to make the NCAAs with 6 and 4 top 100 players respectively (although he may buck that trend this season), and he looks to have only 1 for sure top 100 recruit in 2014 to go with an extremely young squad.
 
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It's a fair analysis Memphis, but Bruce wouldn't have done any better with Hall or Woolridge. Both were total busts and definitely didn't put in the work to become better players.

Rankings indicate a good picture of what's likely to happen, but if Martin's evaluated these guys and they turn out to be way better, then we're in for a treat
 
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iKrager said:
It's a fair analysis Memphis, but Bruce wouldn't have done any better with Hall or Woolridge. Both were total busts and definitely didn't put in the work to become better players.

Rankings indicate a good picture of what's likely to happen, but if Martin's evaluated these guys and they turn out to be way better, then we're in for a treat
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If they turn out to be what they are supposed to be we are in for hell while they are young and maybe .500 in conference by 2017 or 18
 
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BOP said:
If they turn out to be what they are supposed to be we are in for hell while they are young and maybe .500 in conference by 2017 or 18
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How the hell can you you tell what our team is going to be like in 2017-18? What a stretch man. You are just a negative person.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
We might as well talk about how bad we are going to be in 2020. I mean we are losing everybody. Coach Martin can only get 2 stars and a couple 3 stars. We are SCREWED! Idk what we're gonna do. Farr him I guess
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I'm optimistic about this year. I'm even willing to sit through a few horrible years if he can get us to the final four. Anything less than the sweet 16 is goodbye time. Get bounced in the sweet 16 and these players better win in 2015.
 
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MC has a point here. However, it is a little misleading including Hall and Swiper as part of the 6. Also, I'd wonder what it would look like if you bumped the number to 150 instead of 100.

Also, in 2011, we only had 3 top 100 for most of the year.

Top 150 for 2014-15
Austin
Cofer
Hubbs
Richardson
Thompson

Cornish (borderline)
Turman (borderline)

And we have 1 scholarship to give if Stokes goes which I would hope land us a top 150 player. If Stokes stays, that would be another top 150 player for sure.

Top 150 -

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (5) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden, Richardson
2013 - top 150 - (6) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson, Richardson
2014 - top 150 - (5) Richardson, Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 has the potential to add 1 to 3 more to the total. Stokes could stay or we could add another top 150 recruit in spring. Cornish and Turman are borderline and have both been in top 150 at times and could end up back in top 150.

So say Vols add top 150 player in spring and Cornish or Turman creeps back in and you're looking at a more talented team than it appears in MC's post.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Martin is going to have to do some real development this season, because the 2014-2015 team looks to be his least talented (from a recruiting standpoint) by a large margin. In terms of RSCI top 100 recruits, this is how his rosters have stacked up while he's been at UT:

2011- 6 top 100 recruits: Woolridge- 70th/2008; Hall- 62nd/2009; Maymon- 73/2009; McRae- Golden- 86th/2010; Stokes- (not technically listed on RSCI top 100 because of mid-year qualifier, but he's a top 100)/2011.
2012- 4 top 100 recruits: McRae; Golden; Stokes; Hall.
2013- 4 top 100 recruits: McRae; Maymon; Stokes; Hubbs- 22nd/2013.

2014-2015: possibly only 1 top 100 recruit in Hubbs. Austin didn't make the cut into the top 100, although he may in the final cut in May. Still, Martin hasn't been able to make the NCAAs with 6 and 4 top 100 players respectively (although he may buck that trend this season), and he looks to have only 1 for sure top 100 recruit in 2014 to go with an extremely young squad.
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This is off base. It is true that next year won't be the as talented as this year's for sure. But its going to be a better team than either of his first 2 teams. Next year's team will have good depth although it will be young in some areas and should have great PG play with Austin and Thompson. So MC is off base here as usual.
 
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BOP said:
I'm optimistic about this year. I'm even willing to sit through a few horrible years if he can get us to the final four. Anything less than the sweet 16 is goodbye time. Get bounced in the sweet 16 and these players better win in 2015.
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All I'm saying is let things play out bro. Did you think that we would get Stokes mid year when we did? Or Maymon back for this year? A lot of things can happen between now and next year. If we big this year, we might catch a top 100 player's eye in the spring. Who knows? Just let things play out and enjoy this amazing season we're about to have. If Martin doesn't make the tourney this year, I'll be right there with you on wanting him gone. But until then I got his back!
 
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iKrager said:
It's a fair analysis Memphis, but Bruce wouldn't have done any better with Hall or Woolridge. Both were total busts and definitely didn't put in the work to become better players.

Rankings indicate a good picture of what's likely to happen, but if Martin's evaluated these guys and they turn out to be way better, then we're in for a treat
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That's correct, but from a purely stat-based projection standpoint, top 100 players are more likely to contribute than those outside the top 100. To paraphrase the guy that runs the RSCI website "top 30 players are usually dependable to make an immediate impact; top 30-60 guys will almost always be solid multi-year players; top 60-100 players are a crapshoot, but more dependable than those outside of the top 100".

Finding guys outside the top 100 that can contribute to a tourney- level high-major team is akin to finding diamonds in the rough, and that's usually once they are upper classmen.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
MC has a point here. However, it is a little misleading including Hall and Swiper as part of the 6. Also, I'd wonder what it would look like if you bumped the number to 150 instead of 100.

Also, in 2011, we only had 3 top 100 for most of the year.

Top 150 for 2014-15
Austin
Cofer
Hubbs
Richardson
Thompson

Cornish (borderline)
Turman (borderline)

And we have 1 scholarship to give if Stokes goes which I would hope land us a top 150 player. If Stokes stays, that would be another top 150 player for sure.

Top 150 -

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (4) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden
2013 - top 150 - (5) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson
2014 - top 150 - (4) Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 has the potential to add 1 to 3 more to the total. Stokes could stay or we could add another top 150 recruit in spring. Cornish and Turman are borderline and have both been in top 150 at times and could end up back in top 150.

So say Vols add top 150 player in spring and Cornish or Turman creeps back in and you're looking at a more talented team than it appears in MC's post.
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Totally true when you expand the scope. However, compare the experience levels of the contributors in 2012 and 2013 to those in 2014. Maybe comparable recruiting talent, but the talent in 2014 is freshman and sophomore instead of Junior and Senior.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
How the hell can you you tell what our team is going to be like in 2017-18? What a stretch man. You are just a negative person.
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Natural progression of a team without elite talent in the SEC.
 
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rocky200663 said:
This is off base. It is true that next year won't be the as talented as this year's for sure. But its going to be a better team than either of his first 2 teams. Next year's team will have good depth although it will be young in some areas and should have great PG play with Austin and Thompson. So MC is off base here as usual.
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I don't think you can say that yet. Most of the projected contributors for 2014 haven't played a D1 game yet.

Resist your urge to shoot the messenger.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
All I'm saying is let things play out bro. Did you think that we would get Stokes mid year when we did? Or Maymon back for this year? A lot of things can happen between now and next year. If we big this year, we might catch a top 100 player's eye in the spring. Who knows? Just let things play out and enjoy this amazing season we're about to have. If Martin doesn't make the tourney this year, I'll be right there with you on wanting him gone. But until then I got his back!
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I understand the "make the tournament and everything is fine" talk. If Barton is as good as you guys say he is, I have my doubt's, then this is an absolutely complete basketball team. I'm not gonna be satisfied with a first weekend exit.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't think you can say that yet. Most of the projected contributors for 2014 haven't played a D1 game yet.

Resist your urge to shoot the messenger.
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I'm not gonna shoot you. I think what he what he is saying is absurd.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't think you can say that yet. Most of the projected contributors for 2014 haven't played a D1 game yet.

Resist your urge to shoot the messenger.
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MC your track record is very poor here so this is why I went on and shot you down. If it was BTO or someone else I tend to listen and take their opinions more seriously than yours. Your own team hasn't beaten a Top 25 ranked team in 5 years and you say you are one of the elites in college basketball. Just not true. Yes IMO next years team should be ZO's 2nd most talented team behind this years. There will be young talented depth and he will have his type of players to fit his system onboard. Plus 2 rock solid PGs. Go Vols!
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Totally true when you expand the scope. However, compare the experience levels of the contributors in 2012 and 2013 to those in 2014. Maybe comparable recruiting talent, but the talent in 2014 is freshman and sophomore instead of Junior and Senior.
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Wrong again. Obviously the 2013 team is experienced but ....

2011 - Stokes was sitting in high school when we tipped for 1st game. Maymon had played half a season after sitting out most of his freshman year due transfer, McRae and Golden were sophomores, Cam was experienced, our two busts Swiper and Hall had logged some minutes during their time I guess you should say.

2012 - Stokes had seen 1/2 season. McRae, Richardson, Golden were experienced.

2014 - Hubbs will have experience as will Thompson and Richardson.

While 2014 is a little younger. I don't there is a huge difference in 2012 and 2011 definitely wasn't much more experienced. Heck, there were only 7 returning scholarship players, one a former walk on. If Stokes was to return for some reason, it is as experienced as any team Martin has had sans 2013.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Wrong again. Obviously the 2013 team is experienced but ....

2011 - Stokes was sitting in high school when we tipped for 1st game. Maymon had played half a season after sitting out most of his freshman year due transfer, McRae and Golden were sophomores, Cam was experienced, our two busts Swiper and Hall had logged some minutes during their time I guess you should say.

2012 - Stokes had seen 1/2 season. McRae, Richardson, Golden were experienced.

2014 - Hubbs will have experience as will Thompson and Richardson.

While 2014 is a little younger. I don't there is a huge difference in 2012 and 2011 definitely wasn't much more experienced. Heck, there were only 7 returning scholarship players, one a former walk on. If Stokes was to return for some reason, it is as experienced as any team Martin has had sans 2013.
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Just not likely as talented.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Wrong again. Obviously the 2013 team is experienced but ....

2011 - Stokes was sitting in high school when we tipped for 1st game. Maymon had played half a season after sitting out most of his freshman year due transfer, McRae and Golden were sophomores, Cam was experienced, our two busts Swiper and Hall had logged some minutes during their time I guess you should say.

2012 - Stokes had seen 1/2 season. McRae, Richardson, Golden were experienced.

2014 - Hubbs will have experience as will Thompson and Richardson.

While 2014 is a little younger. I don't there is a huge difference in 2012 and 2011 definitely wasn't much more experienced. Heck, there were only 7 returning scholarship players, one a former walk on. If Stokes was to return for some reason, it is as experienced as any team Martin has had sans 2013.
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Reread my post. I just mention the 2012 and 2013 as experienced. They are. in 2014 you'll have 2 Sophomore and 2 freshman as your contributors, whereas in 2012 it was a "sophomore" and 3 juniors; 2013 is a freshman, junior and two seniors.

I don't think Stokes is coming back next season.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
MC has a point here. However, it is a little misleading including Hall and Swiper as part of the 6. Also, I'd wonder what it would look like if you bumped the number to 150 instead of 100.

Also, in 2011, we only had 3 top 100 for most of the year.

Top 150 for 2014-15
Austin
Cofer
Hubbs
Richardson
Thompson

Cornish (borderline)
Turman (borderline)

And we have 1 scholarship to give if Stokes goes which I would hope land us a top 150 player. If Stokes stays, that would be another top 150 player for sure.

Top 150 -

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (4) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden
2013 - top 150 - (5) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson
2014 - top 150 - (4) Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 has the potential to add 1 to 3 more to the total. Stokes could stay or we could add another top 150 recruit in spring. Cornish and Turman are borderline and have both been in top 150 at times and could end up back in top 150.

So say Vols add top 150 player in spring and Cornish or Turman creeps back in and you're looking at a more talented team than it appears in MC's post.
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Very good post and research, although many will overlook it I'm sure. It basically is evidence of what many have said, at this point you can't make a projection, too many unknowns. For all me know Hubbs is the second coming of D Wade and will be an all American next year, that alone is worth something. As mentioned maybe some of our recruits rise up the rankings and improve their game, maybe Richardson comes out and backs up the reports and is our best player this year.

Just too much unknown to make and educated projection at next years squad.
 
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