2014-2015 roster

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rocky200663 said:
MC your track record is very poor here so this is why I went on and shot you down. If it was BTO or someone else I tend to listen and take their opinions more seriously than yours. Your own team hasn't beaten a Top 25 ranked team in 5 years and you say you are one of the elites in college basketball. Just not true. Yes IMO next years team should be ZO's 2nd most talented team behind this years. There will be young talented depth and he will have his type of players to fit his system onboard. Plus 2 rock solid PGs. Go Vols!
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Is this about Memphis or UT? I'll talk your ear off about Memphis if you want, but I doubt anyone here wants to hear it. I'm trying to discuss the Vols with you.

You are free to your subjective opinion, but all I was discussing in my post was objective numbers.
 
#102
#102
BigZiti09 said:
MC has a point here. However, it is a little misleading including Hall and Swiper as part of the 6. Also, I'd wonder what it would look like if you bumped the number to 150 instead of 100.

Also, in 2011, we only had 3 top 100 for most of the year.

Top 150 for 2014-15
Austin
Cofer
Hubbs
Richardson
Thompson

Cornish (borderline)
Turman (borderline)

And we have 1 scholarship to give if Stokes goes which I would hope land us a top 150 player. If Stokes stays, that would be another top 150 player for sure.

Top 150 -

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (4) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden
2013 - top 150 - (5) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson
2014 - top 150 - (4) Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 has the potential to add 1 to 3 more to the total. Stokes could stay or we could add another top 150 recruit in spring. Cornish and Turman are borderline and have both been in top 150 at times and could end up back in top 150.

So say Vols add top 150 player in spring and Cornish or Turman creeps back in and you're looking at a more talented team than it appears in MC's post.
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You mentioned Richardson as being a top-150 player, but left him off of your lists.

It should be...
2012: 5 (top-150 guys including Richardson)
2013: 6
2014: 5
 
#103
#103
MemphisCanes said:
Is this about Memphis or UT? I'll talk your ear off about Memphis if you want, but I doubt anyone here wants to hear it. I'm trying to discuss the Vols with you.

You are free to your subjective opinion, but all I was discussing in my post was objective numbers.
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There's no arguing that as of now on paper next years squad will be less talented than any of Martin's previous Tennessee teams. There's a lot of unknowns that can really change the projection though, and with one scholarship likely left being held til spring who knows who we add.

I'm also interested to see what it will look like with all Martin players starting next year, I still think you've got one or two one the team that don't bring the mindset he's looking for.

I've always been of the opinion that a guy ranked 100-150 that fits your system is more valuable than a guy ranked 50-100 that doesn't....that could be the case next year.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Reread my post. I just mention the 2012 and 2013 as experienced. They are. in 2014 you'll have 2 Sophomore and 2 freshman as your contributors, whereas in 2012 it was a "sophomore" and 3 juniors; 2013 is a freshman, junior and two seniors.

I don't think Stokes is coming back next season.
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#107
#107
1) 2013
2) 2014 (2 true pg's, a lot of depth)
3) 2012 (McRae just started to break out, no true pg, no Maymon, Richardson started improving)
4 )2011 (no true pg, Stokes only there half a year, Maymon started to break out, McRae wasn't even starting, no depth)

Is what I would rank Martin's most talented teams. Yeah the bottom 2 have more "stars" by some of the players names. But Swiper and Hall were apart of those rosters. Cofer and Turman even though they are lower ranked are better than Swiper and Hall...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
There's no arguing that as of now on paper next years squad will be less talented than any of Martin's previous Tennessee teams. There's a lot of unknowns that can really change the projection though, and with one scholarship likely left being held til spring who knows who we add.

I'm also interested to see what it will look like with all Martin players starting next year, I still think you've got one or two one the team that don't bring the mindset he's looking for.

I've always been of the opinion that a guy ranked 100-150 that fits your system is more valuable than a guy ranked 50-100 that doesn't....that could be the case next year.
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Which is why I simply said that Martin is going to have to do some major talent development this season. I'm sure you'd like to rely guys like Moore, Richardson, Reese, Ndiaye and Chevious to step up in 2014 rather than Cofer, Turman, etc. who will only have a few weeks of practice with the team before the season starts.
 
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#109
Top 150 -

Chris caught a mistake in my earlier post.... Here is what the talent level looks like....

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (5) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden, Richardson
2013 - top 150 - (6) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson, Richardson
2014 - top 150 - (5) Richardson, Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 could potentially add 1 to 3 more top 150 players depending on Cornish/Turman moving up a few spots back into 150 and/or Stokes staying and/or adding another 2014 guy to schollie. Potentially, 2014 could have the most top 150 guys that Martin has coached.

Personally, if I was Martin and I had the chance I'd add 2 more guys to scholarship if I could land a higher rated recruit in the spring. Which he may be able to do if we have a great season.
 
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rocky200663 said:
MC your track record is very poor here so this is why I went on and shot you down. If it was BTO or someone else I tend to listen and take their opinions more seriously than yours. Your own team hasn't beaten a Top 25 ranked team in 5 years and you say you are one of the elites in college basketball. Just not true. Yes IMO next years team should be ZO's 2nd most talented team behind this years. There will be young talented depth and he will have his type of players to fit his system onboard. Plus 2 rock solid PGs. Go Vols!
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Can we not start this again?
 
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#112
#112
BigZiti09 said:
Top 150 -

Chris caught a mistake in my earlier post.... Here is what the talent level looks like....

2011 - top 150 - (6.5) Tatum, Swiper, Hall, Maymon, McRae, Golden, Stokes (1/2 year)
2012 - top 150 - (4) Hall, Stokes, McRae, Golden
2013 - top 150 - (6) Stokes, Maymon, McRae, Hubbs, Thompson, Richardson
2014 - top 150 - (5) Richardson, Hubbs, Thompson, Austin, Cofer

2014 could potentially add 1 to 3 more top 150 players depending on Cornish/Turman moving up a few spots back into 150 and/or Stokes staying and/or adding another 2014 guy to schollie. Potentially, 2014 could have the most top 150 guys that Martin has coached.

Personally, if I was Martin and I had the chance I'd add 2 more guys to scholarship if I could land a higher rated recruit in the spring. Which he may be able to do if we have a great season.
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Not to be Editor-in-Chief, but you left Richardson off of 2012 again...haha.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Which is why I simply said that Martin is going to have to do some major talent development this season. I'm sure you'd like to rely guys like Moore, Richardson, Reese, Ndiaye and Chevious to step up in 2014 rather than Cofer, Turman, etc. who will only have a few weeks of practice with the team before the season starts.
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I'm perfectly fine with contributions from guys like Cofer and Austin, Richardson was a solid contributor his freshman year, and wasn't that highly rated.
 
#115
#115
Successful basketball teams have 1 or 2 stars with solid role players surrounding them. Richardson and Hubbs will be great next year plus we will have solid role players around them.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
1) 2013
2) 2014 (2 true pg's, a lot of depth)
3) 2012 (McRae just started to break out, no true pg, no Maymon, Richardson started improving)
4 )2011 (no true pg, Stokes only there half a year, Maymon started to break out, McRae wasn't even starting, no depth)

Is what I would rank Martin's most talented teams. Yeah the bottom 2 have more "stars" by some of the players names. But Swiper and Hall were apart of those rosters. Cofer and Turman even though they are lower ranked are better than Swiper and Hall...
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Im not so sure that turman is better than Hall but I do think Cofer is underrated.
 
#121
#121
And I hate taking shots at former players but Hall had the ability and body to be a draft pick and just didn't get it. Turman should have a very solid career here.
 
#123
#123
MemphisCanes said:
Richardson was your 8th man. That's where you want your 100-150 ranked freshman, not top 5.
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Thompson, Hubbs, Richardson, Moore, Davis, and possibly Stokes.

That's 5 or 6 guys likely ahead of those freshman, so those freshman will be around 7-9, much like Richy Rich.
 
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#124
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thompson, Hubbs, Richardson, Moore, Davis, and possibly Stokes

That's 5 or 6 guys likely ahead of those freshman, so those freshman will be around 7-9 mine, much like Richy Rich.
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Exactly. And two of the guys playing ahead of Rich that year were Skylar and Hall. I'd take a frosh 150 guy over those two any day.
 
#125
#125
I can't believe we are still bickering over what may or may not happen with players that may or may not be here two seasons from now, more than half of which, none of us have ever seen play.

Lord knows I like a good debate as much as anyone, but surely (or perhaps not), you see how fluid and unknown either side of this argument is right now.

Its really a futile discussion. I can't wait until we have actual basketball to discuss.
 
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