2024 Official Seed List Watch Party Thread

[bleedingTNorange]

Even if you only look at the top-ranked bracketologists, they're pretty much split down the middle on either us or Arizona as the 1 seed.

Which honestly imo is a great sign, I have maintained for weeks if we match Arizona’s record we would pass them…but us both going 2-0 and majority of folks now moving us ahead I’m wondering if potentially even our 3-1 to their 4-0 would be enough. I would rather not find out, but the trend of Tennessee momentum just has me wondering that.

 

[ndubvols]

Yup, so as things stand on the matrix, Bama & Auburn both a 4, it leaves just Illinois & San Diego State as potential 4’s.

Would they try and put sdsu in the west and Illinois in the Midwest or does it not work that far down the seed line?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Would they try and put sdsu in the west and Illinois in the Midwest or does it not work that far down the seed line?

If it works they’ll do it, so yea SDSU being in the West seems probable.

 

[Dougie_D]

Both of these things are wrong, how do you do it?

How would it be wrong? If AZ in west w/ TN they’ll give AZ 1 and TN 2. Can’t be other way around

 

[hUTch2002]

The potential sweet 16 matchups for 1 seeds are definitely more desirable. Worst case, you play a 4 or 5 seed - both of which are very prone to first round upsets.

No matter how you look at it, 1 seed is better. I really thought the parity these days would have made a 2 seed closer to a 1 but it hasn’t when you look at the last 10 tournaments. Now the last 2 years have been historically bad for 1 seeds so it’ll be interesting to see how they fare this year.

 

[hUTch2002]

Yet DK was called for one at bama that would have been a block last season?

Was that the one where he barely put his arm out at all and they called a charge or was that a different one? The arm one was so aggravating, especially when Sears was constantly keeping his arm out to keep our defender off him. Of course there are charges called but it doesn’t feel like it’s nearly as many as used to be called a year or two ago. Again, I haven’t seen stats to back it up, it’s just a perception at this point.

 

[VolCalls]

How would it be wrong? If AZ in west w/ TN they’ll give AZ 1 and TN 2. Can’t be other way around

We will not be a 2 in the West, only a 1.

If we’re a 2 we will be in the South or Midwest.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

That would be nice. But long way to go as you said. February is going to be a brutal month. Last year it humbled us. So we have a lot of tough games to win. I think we can do it though.

We showed up and showed out this February! Good to know that you post here too, rob Lewis threw a fit and banned me for suggesting he lay off the bottle, so I’ve been hanging out here… unless you’re a different mookiemonster, then disregard this message lol

 

[bleedingTNorange]

How would it be wrong? If AZ in west w/ TN they’ll give AZ 1 and TN 2. Can’t be other way around

I feel like you’re messing with me at this point lol, either that or even though it’s been explained 100+ times you just have been unable to grasp it.

Stick with me here, teams are placed into regions by starting with the 1 seed and placing them in the closest region. For sake of discussion here are the current 1-8:

1. Purdue
2. Connecticut
3. Houston
4. Tennessee
————————
5. Arizona
6. North Carolina
7. Marquette
8. Iowa State


Once again the regions are: East (Boston), Midwest (Detroit), South (Dallas) and West (Los Angeles). You start with the 1 seed which is Purdue, what region is closest? Detroit, so they get out in the Midwest Region. Next is Connecticut, Boston is closest to them, they are in East Region. Next is Houston, closest region remaining to them is Dallas, so they’re in the South. Now you get to the final 1 seed, Tennessee, there’s only 1 region left so that’s where Tennessee goes, West Region. Now we go to the 2 seeds, same principles apply here, starting with the top they’ll get the closest region to them, 1 caveat being they try to avoid putting Top 1 seed and Top 2 seed together. Arizona in this scenario is Top 2 seed, closest region to them is West.

1. Purdue-Midwest
2. Connecticut-East
3. Houston-South
4. Tennessee-West
————————
5. Arizona-West
6. North Carolina-East
7. Marquette-Midwest
8. Iowa State-South

 

[TheMookieMonster]

We showed up and showed out this February! Good to know that you post here too, rob Lewis threw a fit and banned me for suggesting he lay off the bottle, so I’ve been hanging out here… unless you’re a different mookiemonster, then disregard this message lol

I did used to post on VQ but stopped like 4-5 months ago because I just didn’t feel like paying $99 a year for recruiting information that was becoming less and less reliable every cycle. So, I didn’t re-up my sub.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

I did used to post on VQ but stopped like 4-5 months ago because I just didn’t feel like paying $99 a year for recruiting information that was becoming less and less reliable every cycle. So, I didn’t re-up my sub.

I agree it’s become less and less reliable. And while I appreciate Austin for his work, and still thinks he’s the best in the biz, I liked him better a few years ago.. he used to be a humble “aww shucks” kind of dude, but he’s become a bit arrogant in the last couple years.

 

[VolCalls]

I feel like you’re messing with me at this point lol, either that or even though it’s been explained 100+ times you just have been unable to grasp it.

Stick with me here, teams are placed into regions by starting with the 1 seed and placing them in the closest region. For sake of discussion here are the current 1-8:

1. Purdue
2. Connecticut
3. Houston
4. Tennessee
————————
5. Arizona
6. North Carolina
7. Marquette
8. Iowa State


Once again the regions are: East (Boston), Midwest (Detroit), South (Dallas) and West (Los Angeles). You start with the 1 seed which is Purdue, what region is closest? Detroit, so they get out in the Midwest Region. Next is Connecticut, Boston is closest to them, they are in East Region. Next is Houston, closest region remaining to them is Dallas, so they’re in the South. Now you get to the final 1 seed, Tennessee, there’s only 1 region left so that’s where Tennessee goes, West Region. Now we go to the 2 seeds, same principles apply here, starting with the top they’ll get the closest region to them, 1 caveat being they try to avoid putting Top 1 seed and Top 2 seed together. Arizona in this scenario is Top 2 seed, closest region to them is West.

1. Purdue-Midwest
2. Connecticut-East
3. Houston-South
4. Tennessee-West
————————
5. Arizona-West
6. North Carolina-East
7. Marquette-Midwest
8. Iowa State-South

Exactly - just one adjustment. Unless they’ve changed this rule in the last few years, the first four teams selected from a given conference have to be placed in different regions. Therefore, Houston and Iowa State, the first two Big 12 teams, can’t both be placed in the South. My guess is they would flip Iowa State & Marquette in the above scenario.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

In hopes that no one else will feel the need to explain the seeding guidelines again, they are clearly outlined here, in our native English, for convenient perusal, for anyone who can read:

How the field of 68 DI men’s teams is picked for March Madness

The NCAA’s guide to how the 68 teams are chosen, seeded and bracketed for the Division I men's basketball tournament every season.

www.ncaa.com

 

[Dougie_D]

I feel like you’re messing with me at this point lol, either that or even though it’s been explained 100+ times you just have been unable to grasp it.

Stick with me here, teams are placed into regions by starting with the 1 seed and placing them in the closest region. For sake of discussion here are the current 1-8:

1. Purdue
2. Connecticut
3. Houston
4. Tennessee
————————
5. Arizona
6. North Carolina
7. Marquette
8. Iowa State


Once again the regions are: East (Boston), Midwest (Detroit), South (Dallas) and West (Los Angeles). You start with the 1 seed which is Purdue, what region is closest? Detroit, so they get out in the Midwest Region. Next is Connecticut, Boston is closest to them, they are in East Region. Next is Houston, closest region remaining to them is Dallas, so they’re in the South. Now you get to the final 1 seed, Tennessee, there’s only 1 region left so that’s where Tennessee goes, West Region. Now we go to the 2 seeds, same principles apply here, starting with the top they’ll get the closest region to them, 1 caveat being they try to avoid putting Top 1 seed and Top 2 seed together. Arizona in this scenario is Top 2 seed, closest region to them is West.

1. Purdue-Midwest
2. Connecticut-East
3. Houston-South
4. Tennessee-West
————————
5. Arizona-West
6. North Carolina-East
7. Marquette-Midwest
8. Iowa State-South

I get you are saying. I’m more expressing that the committee is going to disregard the fact that TN should be a #1 seed just for your reasoning of placing teams in their closest region. You can have 4/4 perfect regions geographically spaced instead of 3/4. TN is just in an inconvenient spot.
If TN has to travel over 2000 miles then that’s still a disadvantage even in later round

 

[BallerVolFan]

I get you are saying. I’m more expressing that the committee is going to disregard the fact that TN should be a #1 seed just for your reasoning of placing teams in their closest region. You can have 4/4 perfect regions geographically spaced instead of 3/4. TN is just in an inconvenient spot.
If TN has to travel over 2000 miles then that’s still a disadvantage even in later round

Only in the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 rounds would we have to travel that far. We’re gonna be playing closer to home in the first two rounds regardless if we’re a 1 seed or 2 seed. The only thing that changes between a 1 seed and a 2 seed for Tennessee will be the location of the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 (most likely) and the potential opponents.

 

[Dougie_D]

Exactly - just one adjustment. Unless they’ve changed this rule in the last few years, the first four teams selected from a given conference have to be placed in different regions. Therefore, Houston and Iowa State, the first two Big 12 teams, can’t both be placed in the South. My guess is they would flip Iowa State & Marquette in the above scenario.

Don’t forget that the “flipping” becomes easier with TN as #2 seed. I hate the fact that the committee will go with what “makes more sense” geographically.
TN - East vs UConn
Iowa ST - West vs AZ
Marq - South vs Houston
NC - Midwest vs Purdue

 

[Dougie_D]

Only in the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 rounds would we have to travel that far. We’re gonna be playing closer to home in the first two rounds regardless if we’re a 1 seed or 2 seed. The only thing that changes between a 1 seed and a 2 seed for Tennessee will be the location of the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 (most likely) and the potential opponents.

I get that .. but we would have to be the 1st ever number 1 seed to travel over 2k for those rounds. I hate it. They’ll probably be no fans traveling for those games. It just sucks

 

[kckempf]

I get that .. but we would have to be the 1st ever number 1 seed to travel over 2k for those rounds. I hate it. They’ll probably be no fans traveling for those games. It just sucks

Connecticut was in Phoenix in 1999
Cincinnati was in San Jose in 2002
Memphis State was in Oakland in 2006
Connecticut was in Glendale in 2009
Syracuse was in Salt Lake City in 2010
Duke was in Anaheim in 2011

Etc etc etc

 

[wtmvol]

I get that .. but we would have to be the 1st ever number 1 seed to travel over 2k for those rounds. I hate it. They’ll probably be no fans traveling for those games. It just sucks

It happens more than you might think.

In 2022, Baylor was the 1 seed in Philadelphia
In 2018, Xavier was the 1 seed in Los Angeles
In 2015, Wisconsin was the 1 seed in Los Angeles
In 2012, Michigan St was the 1 seed in Phoenix

Not all of those are 2,000 miles, but once you get over 1,000 miles you're getting on a plane regardless.

 

[OrngeJuiceJones]

The first two rounds aren’t assigned to the regionals like they used to be. You can go to Charlotte for the first two rounds and still be in the West region.

Yes I know. But what I'm hearing is internally they think Charlotte.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Exactly - just one adjustment. Unless they’ve changed this rule in the last few years, the first four teams selected from a given conference have to be placed in different regions. Therefore, Houston and Iowa State, the first two Big 12 teams, can’t both be placed in the South. My guess is they would flip Iowa State & Marquette in the above scenario.

Yup good catch, wasn’t thinking about conference affiliation when posting that

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I get you are saying. I’m more expressing that the committee is going to disregard the fact that TN should be a #1 seed just for your reasoning of placing teams in their closest region. You can have 4/4 perfect regions geographically spaced instead of 3/4. TN is just in an inconvenient spot.
If TN has to travel over 2000 miles then that’s still a disadvantage even in later round

So who goes in the West in this perfect fantasy scenario you’re drawing up, Arizona and …. ?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Don’t forget that the “flipping” becomes easier with TN as #2 seed. I hate the fact that the committee will go with what “makes more sense” geographically.
TN - East vs UConn
Iowa ST - West vs AZ
Marq - South vs Houston
NC - Midwest vs Purdue

So it’s ok to make Iowa State travel 1,700 miles and Marquette 1,100 miles but not Tennessee 2,100 miles…you are aware that these school are using airplanes right?

My scenario…
Midwest: Purdue & Iowa State 279 + 624
South: Houston & Marquette 244 + 1056
East: Connecticut & North Carolina 84 + 707
West: Tennessee & Arizona 2185 + 486
Total: 5,665

Your scenario:
Midwest: Purdue & North Carolina 279 + 595
South: Houston & Marquette 244 + 1056
West: Arizona & Iowa State 1,719 + 486
East: Connecticut & Tennessee 84 + 918
Total: 5,381


So a less than 300 mile total difference to completely screw up the regions? That doesn’t make any sense at all.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I get that .. but we would have to be the 1st ever number 1 seed to travel over 2k for those rounds. I hate it. They’ll probably be no fans traveling for those games. It just sucks

People have pointed out to you multiple times that this is a false/incorrect/wrong take

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yes I know. But what I'm hearing is internally they think Charlotte.

Everyone thinks Charlotte lol