2024 Official Seed List Watch Party Thread

#727
#727
VolCalls said:
Disagree 100%. If we win our last two, we will be the #1 seed, and may still get it if we go 1-1.
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I hope so.. but I think the committee is dead set with AZ and they just don’t care about our resume. My argument is based on they’ll favor AZ over us
 
#728
#728
bleedingTNorange said:
Dude, Arizona and UCLA were both 2’s last year and instead of giving them a 1 seed in the West they gave Kansas that 1 seed and made them travel 1,400 miles. Literally just last year, what you’re saying the committee won’t do they did.
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Which makes me feel like they won’t do that to another team again.. I just get a feeling they want AZ as a 1 seed .. even if they go 1-1 and we go 2-0. My argument is based on “I think the committee won’t give us the seed we deserve so they’ll give geographical excuses”
 
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#729
Dougie_D said:
Which makes me feel like they won’t do that to another team again.. I just get a feeling they want AZ as a 1 seed .. even if they go 1-1 and we go 2-0. My argument is based on “I think the committee won’t give us the seed we deserve so they’ll give geographical excuses”
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So you’re just going off of a “feeling” with no statistical evidence to back it up?
 
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#730
#730
Dougie_D said:
I’m not saying what you saying is wrong. I just don’t think the commitee is going to give TN the number 1 based on the geographical region that’s left to be given ((WEST) when they can easily just give it to a west team in AZ.
I honestly think the committee would rather have this because it’s a a more “balanced bracket” regarding the top 4 seeds. I really HOPE I’m wrong, but i truely believe the committee is settled with AZ in the West regardless if TN goes 2-0.

UConn - 84
Houston - 244
Purdue - 279
TN - 2185? Or AZ - 486?
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The committee is notorious for giving explanations of their selections.
First time it was body of work during the season.
2nd, it was the last 10 games.
3rd & 4th it was the team won their conference Tourney or the fact that conference tournaments don't really matter.
5th the regional argument.
6th plus more, the injury excuse and the list goes on and on as to why they may or may not have put a team into the one spot.
7th + NET. Easy to justify

Seriously, sometimes I think it is Paralysis of Analysis and the Committee doesn't follow their own criteria.

Tennessee wins out it is a "No Brainer" a win tonight still a "No Brainer" with a little bit of work. Toughest Conference, Best Record, NET and SOS. Early losses --- Just win tonight.

I would like to see NET applied to the top 16 teams and forget the Regions to provide balanced Brackets and let the committee take on the rest (5-16 seeds). The CFP system will not take into account the regions in the 1st Round so why should the NCAA March Madness. Line them up and sort it out.

All this touchy feely stuff is for the birds.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The committee is notorious for giving explanations of their selections.
First time it was body of work during the season.
2nd, it was the last 10 games.
3rd & 4th it was the team won their conference Tourney or the fact that conference tournaments don't really matter.
5th the regional argument.
6th plus more, the injury excuse and the list goes on and on as to why they may or may not have put a team into the one spot.
7th + NET. Easy to justify

Seriously, sometimes I think it is Paralysis of Analysis and the Committee doesn't follow their own criteria.

Tennessee wins out it is a "No Brainer" a win tonight still a "No Brainer" with a little bit of work. Toughest Conference, Best Record, NET and SOS. Early losses --- Just win tonight.

I would like to see NET applied to the top 16 teams and forget the Regions to provide balanced Brackets and let the committee take on the rest (5-16 seeds). The CFP system will not take into account the regions in the 1st Round so why should the NCAA March Madness. Line them up and sort it out.

All this touchy feely stuff is for the birds.
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I suspect that they’ll diverge from the NET. Auburn is right behind us at 6th in the NET, but they’re 1-7 against Quad 1 opponents. I could see the committee coming up with reasons they disagree with their own ranking system.
 
#732
#732
kckempf said:
I suspect that they’ll diverge from the NET. Auburn is right behind us at 6th in the NET, but they’re 1-7 against Quad 1 opponents. I could see the committee coming up with reasons they disagree with their own ranking system.
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I agree. But it's the committee and I saw Auburn as a two seed in several brackets. They are definitely not a 1 seed and the 1-7 Quad 1 record puts them at a 3/4 Seed considering the conference.

I think the Committee spends too much time on the Top 1-16 Teams and strays away from NET when they should not. It's close, but not perfect, it puts a team in perspective by positioning in an area they belong. Not much difference in my opinion between a 4 and 5 seed.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Which makes me feel like they won’t do that to another team again.. I just get a feeling they want AZ as a 1 seed .. even if they go 1-1 and we go 2-0. My argument is based on “I think the committee won’t give us the seed we deserve so they’ll give geographical excuses”
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0% chance AZ gets the 1 seed over us if we go 2-0 and AZ goes 1-1.
 
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#735
#735
Sudden Impact said:
I agree. But it's the committee and I saw Auburn as a two seed in several brackets. They are definitely not a 1 seed and the 1-7 Quad 1 record puts them at a 3/4 Seed considering the conference.

I think the Committee spends too much time on the Top 1-16 Teams and strays away from NET when they should not. It's close, but not perfect, it puts a team in perspective by positioning in an area they belong. Not much difference in my opinion between a 4 and 5 seed.
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Kenpom has Auburn ahead of us. There must be some serious flaws in that formula that are weighting blowout wins far too heavily.

Edit: Interesting stat; Auburn either loses or wins by double digits. Every single win they’ve had is by at least 11 points.
 
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Dougie_D said:
I hope so.. but I think the committee is dead set with AZ and they just don’t care about our resume. My argument is based on they’ll favor AZ over us
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No offense, but your argument is all over the place. You've given numerous reasons for Arizona over Tennessee. They've all been refuted, but you're here to die on that hill, I guess.
 
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#737
#737
Dougie_D said:
Which makes me feel like they won’t do that to another team again.. I just get a feeling they want AZ as a 1 seed .. even if they go 1-1 and we go 2-0. My argument is based on “I think the committee won’t give us the seed we deserve so they’ll give geographical excuses”
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Literally no objective metric supports this idea.
 
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#738
cncchris33 said:
Literally no objective metric supports this idea.
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I agree! I just won’t be shocked when the commitee screws us over. Why do you guys think the committee will do the right thing? I really hope I’m wrong and the committee is truthful
 
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#740
hUTch2002 said:
Kenpom has Auburn ahead of us. There must be some serious flaws in that formula that are weighting blowout wins far too heavily.

Edit: Interesting stat; Auburn either loses or wins by double digits. Every single win they’ve had is by at least 11 points.
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It doesn’t really weigh the margin of victory, but it calculates offensive and defensive efficiency, which obviously produce types of wins and losses.
 
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#741
Dougie_D said:
I agree! I just won’t be shocked when the commitee screws us over. Why do you guys think the committee will do the right thing? I really hope I’m wrong and the committee is truthful
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It just feels like you're unreasonably adopting a doomsday scenario. The committee would have to ignore every metric they claim to value, and then support it, for which there is no defense. So, the only option is to come out and literally say "We took Arizona because they're on the left side of a map". There's nothing else they can point to as evidence. The NCAA is losing all credibility by the day. This would be another shot of bad publicity that they don't need. There's nothing inherently wrong with Arizona being a 2-seed out west, so there's no need to generate unneeded controversy over a silly decision.
 
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#746
#746
BallerVolFan said:
I've sat and thought quite a bit on the teams I truly think we would have a tough matchup against and I think the #1 team that I would feel most uncomfortable with would be Houston. Not that they are the overall, hands-down best team... I just think the way they play can match the way we play and they are the only team IMO that has the potential to do it better than us even if we do play good. BUT, I think we can play with anybody and beat anybody in the entire country.
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Houston is physical and plays hard-nosed defense, like us, and that's their strength. I think they are also a strong rebounding team. More than a few analysts have noted that it is not a great offensive team--that it can go stretches when scoring is hard to come by. But you are right, their style of play is similar to ours.

UConn looks like the most dynamic, all-around team--has some size, very good guard play, moves the ball well, shoot the ball very well. I think if UConn played Houston, UConn would win because they can, as some like to say, score the basketball.

These seem to be the two strongest teams--each a difficult matchup for anybody and everybody, for different reasons. Nobody is going to beat either of those two teams cheaply--meaning shoot 34 percent with 4 threes and win it. It will take a very good basketball game to beat them.
 
#747
#747
Lundardi has contradicted himself. He's said for about two weeks that it would take a Arizona loss for us to jump up
to a 1 seed. But a lot of bracketologists put us at the 1 following our bama win and tonight's win seems to have created
a consensus--and so I think Lunardi is following the very crowded bracketology pack a bit--not leading the pack.

The real question now is what happens if we lose to kentucky? I think if we beat kentucky and win 1 game in the tourney we'll be a 1 seed.
If we lose to kentucky, it seems like we could slip back.

As for whatever bracket we end up in, there will be difficult games. As some have noted, who wants to play Michigan state in the 2nd round, or we could face another top SEC team in the 3rd round. But we should be quite used to tough games by now.
 
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#748
cncchris33 said:
It just feels like you're unreasonably adopting a doomsday scenario. The committee would have to ignore every metric they claim to value, and then support it, for which there is no defense. So, the only option is to come out and literally say "We took Arizona because they're on the left side of a map". There's nothing else they can point to as evidence. The NCAA is losing all credibility by the day. This would be another shot of bad publicity that they don't need. There's nothing inherently wrong with Arizona being a 2-seed out west, so there's no need to generate unneeded controversy over a silly decision.
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That’s exactly what I think they will do. The committee doesn’t like us
 
#750
#750
cncchris33 said:
It just feels like you're unreasonably adopting a doomsday scenario. The committee would have to ignore every metric they claim to value, and then support it, for which there is no defense. So, the only option is to come out and literally say "We took Arizona because they're on the left side of a map". There's nothing else they can point to as evidence. The NCAA is losing all credibility by the day. This would be another shot of bad publicity that they don't need. There's nothing inherently wrong with Arizona being a 2-seed out west, so there's no need to generate unneeded controversy over a silly decision.
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SEC is the best conference, so it seems logical that a one seed should come out of that.
 
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