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Well, a quick read here shows that a lot of folks don't realize what keeping so many for their 6th year means for recruiting and transfer numbers. We literally just filled 5-6 slots with vets already in the system who would have, otherwise, headed on out.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yet the vast majority of the team built by high school recruiting. UGA, Bama, Michigan, Clemson, OSU. Powerhouses built by high school recruiting. Not the portal.
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The portal only started in 2018 and the crazy "no penalty one time transfer" rule in 2021. The current crazy " no penalty for ANY transfer" rule is in effect, I think, by a court stay on the NCAA stopping it.

The portal is really very new so, yeah, most teams are still built "the old fashioned way" via HS recruits. If transfers become completely unlimited and without penalty, HS recruiting becomes even less important and the more risky option (development and transfer.)

And, yes, 100 times, 1 million times yes. It sucks.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
Vols are recruiting at a championship level. Citrus bowl champs that is.
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One thing about this post .... I know you meant it to be derogatory, but is it really? There have been seasons when Tennessee won the Citrus Bowl, when they would have easily made a 12 team College Football Playoff, if there had been one. 1995 and 2001 immediately come to mind. In most years, you have to be pretty good to get to the Citrus Bowl.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
HS recruiting becomes even less important and the more risky option
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That's a crock!

The best programs will always be the ones who consistently recruit the most elite high school talent. The best players, on the best teams, do not transfer. They play 3 seasons for one team, and then they make themselves eligible for the NFL Draft.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's a crock!

The best programs will always be the ones who consistently recruit the most elite high school talent. The best players, on the best teams, do not transfer. They play 3 seasons for one team, and then they make themselves eligible for the NFL Draft.
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And you know that because "it's always been that way." It's a new day, as I pointed out, and NIL and the portal are still very young.

Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, Jr, Jayden Daniels, and Bo Nix would like a word about that "the best players, on the best teams, do not transfer....."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The portal only started in 2018 and the crazy "no penalty one time transfer" rule in 2021. The current crazy " no penalty for ANY transfer" rule is in effect, I think, by a court stay on the NCAA stopping it.

The portal is really very new so, yeah, most teams are still built "the old fashioned way" via HS recruits. If transfers become completely unlimited and without penalty, HS recruiting becomes even less important and the more risky option (development and transfer.)

And, yes, 100 times, 1 million times yes. It sucks.
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HS recruiting will still be the biggest part for addressing roster needs along with sustaining culture of the program.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And you know that because "it's always been that way." It's a new day, as I pointed out, and NIL and the portal are still very young.

Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, Jr, Jayden Daniels, and Bo Nix would like a word about that "the best players, on the best teams, do not transfer....."
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Those players did not transfer away from the best teams .... They transferred to better teams, who were doing well recruiting high school talent. Michael Penix Jr. transferred from Indiana. There will never come a time when any school would rather have the best portal class than the best high school class. It's a ridiculous notion.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
HS recruiting will still be the biggest part for addressing roster needs along with sustaining culture of the program.
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I'm uncertain of that. Certainly Hendon Hooker and Joe Milton helped A LOT to develop the culture at UT.

Heupel pointed to Pili being a leader for the D almost immediately upon arriving.

I'm not saying HS recruits are useless, at all, but having veterans come in who understand the college game will become more important.

It's very much becoming NFL-esque where a veteran is a better risk than a rookie.

Have I mentioned it sucks?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's a crock!

The best programs will always be the ones who consistently recruit the most elite high school talent. The best players, on the best teams, do not transfer. They play 3 seasons for one team, and then they make themselves eligible for the NFL Draft.
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Like the Ohio State QB??
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Those players did not transfer away from the best teams .... They transferred to better teams, who were doing well recruiting high school talent. Michael Penix Jr. transferred from Indiana. There will never come a time when any school would rather have the best portal class than the best high school class. It's a ridiculous notion.
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And we shall see. Wholesale transfers without penalty will make recruiting veterans, guys with SEC experience, easier and easier.

Would you rather have a guy who has spent a year or two in the SEC or train a HS kid?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And we shall see. Wholesale transfers without penalty will make recruiting veterans, guys with SEC experience, easier and easier.

Would you rather have a guy who has spent a year or two in the SEC or train a HS kid?
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That depends on the player. I would much rather have the #1 rated high school recruiting class than the #1 rated transfer class .... in any year.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's a crock!

The best programs will always be the ones who consistently recruit the most elite high school talent. The best players, on the best teams, do not transfer. They play 3 seasons for one team, and then they make themselves eligible for the NFL Draft.
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LT Overton, former 5+ star recruit, just committed to Bama from the transfer portal........but you would rather have a scrawny 3 star from McMinn county because that is how you build a program. LOL!!!!!
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm uncertain of that. Certainly Hendon Hooker and Joe Milton helped A LOT to develop the culture at UT.

Heupel pointed to Pili being a leader for the D almost immediately upon arriving.

I'm not saying HS recruits are useless, at all, but having veterans come in who understand the college game will become more important.

It's very much becoming NFL-esque where a veteran is a better risk than a rookie.

Have I mentioned it sucks?
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High school recruiting will always be the foundation of the best, most consistently good programs. Their teams will also have good players, who transferred in as well. The teams who try and build their rosters only from the portal, will not be consistently good.
 
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DukeDaisySam said:
LT Overton, former 5+ star recruit, just committed to Bama from the transfer portal........but you would rather have a scrawny 3 star from McMinn county because that is how you build a program. LOL!!!!!
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I'm talking about players transferring away from the best teams ... and Overton left Texas A&M, who just had a coaching change.

If you are contending that recruiting the portal is more important than high school recruiting? Well, then you're really not worth wasting time with. LOL!!!!!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That depends on the player. I would much rather have the #1 rated high school recruiting class than the #1 rated transfer class .... in any year.
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I get your passion but experience, SEC experience especially, is well beyond HS.

We got Bailey, very highly touted, and got nothing for our efforts. Hooker, however, seasoned from the ACC, paid off.

We got Cade Mays from GA and he was better than any HS recruit we could've asked for.

Mincey came from the gators and stepped right in.

HS may matter but it's a sure thing that transfers tend to step in and step right up for us.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I get your passion but experience, SEC experience especially, is well beyond HS.

We got Bailey, very highly touted, and got nothing for our efforts. Hooker, however, seasoned from the ACC, paid off.

We got Cade Mays from GA and he was better than any HS recruit we could've asked for.

Mincey came from the gators and stepped right in.

HS may matter but it's a sure thing that transfers tend to step in and step right up for us.
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That's still not the foundation of a team. You are talking about transfers here and there ... not an entire class worth of talent. Would any head coach in America trade Georgia's top rated class of high school players for the Ole Miss transfer class? Think about that for a second. Unless you are stupid, the answer should be obvious.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I get your passion but experience, SEC experience especially, is well beyond HS.

We got Bailey, very highly touted, and got nothing for our efforts. Hooker, however, seasoned from the ACC, paid off.

We got Cade Mays from GA and he was better than any HS recruit we could've asked for.

Mincey came from the gators and stepped right in.

HS may matter but it's a sure thing that transfers tend to step in and step right up for us.
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It makes sense if you can find enough quality guys from the portal to plug & play but the likelihood of finding that many to fill up the majority of a roster is really low. For every Stud transfer Like Hendon, you also get a lesser QB in Milton.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I just checked the most recent Class of 2024 player rankings on 247 again ....

Tennessee has 4 commitments in the top 100
Oklahoma has 2 commitments in the top 100

Tennessee has 9 commitments in the top 250
Oklahoma has 10 commitments in the top 250

The two classes are really very similar. The difference is, Tennessee's top 2 are better than anyone Oklahoma has. I wouldn't trade Tennessee's class for Oklahoma's ... but I would also admit that overall, there isn't much difference between the two. William Satterwhite is just outside the top 250 .... If you take the top 10 players from each class, you have pretty much the same thing, which proves my point. There isn't much difference, if any, between the 8th ranked team and the 14th ranked team. Too much importance is attached to the numerical rankings on this forum.
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I think you have your numbers backwards. In the Rivals 100 Oklahoma has 4 players and Tennessee has 3 and Oklahoma best player is #7 in the country while Tennessees best is #23

OK has 11 players in the Rvals 250. Tennessee has 6. And when you rank each class by their players rating, their #1 beats our #1 and so on and so forth down the line. Seems like their class being ranked 8th vs our 12 is legit.

I would also point out that 247 has Jordan Ross as the #11 player overall while Rivals has him at #91 and falling. I don't know what's up with that but seems to be he is an unknown quantify.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I think you have your numbers backwards. In the Rivals 100 Oklahoma has 4 players and Tennessee has 3 and Oklahoma best player is #7 in the country while Tennessees best is #23

OK has 11 players in the Rvals 250. Tennessee has 6. And when you rank each class by their players rating, their #1 beats our #1 and so on and so forth down the line. Seems like their class being ranked 8th vs our 12 seems legit.
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As I said in that post you replied to, I was using the rankings from 247 .... 247 Sports is a much better service than Rivals Who uses Rivals anymore? It's 2023, dude. Get a clue!
 
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