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BowlBrother85 said:
That's still not the foundation of a team. You are talking about transfers here and there ... not an entire class worth of talent. Would any head coach in America trade Georgia's top rated class of high school players for the Ole Miss transfer class? Think about that for a second. Unless you are stupid, the answer should be obvious.
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Both are important. I'll totally agree, sustainable growth is developed, but aTm bought that class and got little for it because they had no real culture in the coaching or locker room.

Let's agree it's not all HS like it used to be, but the NIL and portal and, if transfers have no penalty no matter how many times you do it, trying to put together that "LA Lakers, let's win a championship" style team is something schools with deep pockets and no thought of the future may try.

Lane seems to be leaning in on being able to assemble a veteran team. It'll probably bust on him in the long run vs Kirby's "let's just recruit the best guys and let the ones like Vandagriff that don't bubble to the top leave."

Few schools have the luxury of GA, Bama, and Ohio State to be able to pull that kind of talent regularly. Tennessee isn't likely to be able to out HS recruit Bama and GA any time soon. Agreed?
 
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I don't have the numbers but I feel extremely confident that the majority of the money spent on recruiting by big time programs is used largely for HS recruits.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Both are important. I'll totally agree, sustainable growth is developed, but aTm bought that class and got little for it because they had no real culture in the coaching or locker room.

Let's agree it's not all HS like it used to be, but the NIL and portal and, if transfers have no penalty no matter how many times you do it, trying to put together that "LA Lakers, let's win a championship" style team is something schools with deep pockets and no thought of the future may try.

Lane seems to be leaning in on being able to assemble a veteran team. It'll probably bust on him in the long run vs Kirby's "let's just recruit the best guys and let the ones like Vandagriff that don't bubble to the top leave."

Few schools have the luxury of GA, Bama, and Ohio State to be able to pull that kind of talent regularly. Tennessee isn't likely to be able to out HS recruit Bama and GA any time soon. Agreed?
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This is the top 5 ranking from portal transfers for 2024 :

1 - Ole Miss
2 - Colorado
3 - Louisville
4 - TCU
5 - Arizona State

This is the top 5 ranking from high school recruiting for 2024 :

1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio State
3 - Alabama
4 - Florida State
5 - Texas

Which group of schools would you rather be among?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As I said in that post you replied to, I was using the rankings from 247 .... 247 Sports is a much better service than Rivals Who uses Rivals anymore? It's 2023, dude. Get a clue!
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Lol why is it better exactly? Oh let me guess "Rivals and ESPN hate Tennessee" 😂
 
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Good lord people this is simple. Oklahoma has 33 recruits. We have 22. Take away the bottom 11 from Oklahoma to make it even and they have only one 3 star, twenty 4 stars and one five star. We have eight 3 stars. Their average would be much higher. This stuff isn't hard to dissect.

It's no different when pruit got a highly ranked class and people were bowing down to him. He had 30 some recruits when everyone else had less. A handful of people were still trying to explain the reason we were high. Fans only see what they want to see
 

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UTFranklinVol said:
Lol why is it better exactly? Oh let me guess "Rivals and ESPN hate Tennessee" 😂
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It's what most people who follow recruiting use now .... Check the recruiting forum on this site or frankly, any college football site. Eleven Warriors (Ohio State), Tigerdroppings (LSU), Gatorcountry (Florida), Land Thieves (Oklahoma) ,,,, They all use 247. Nobody cites Rivals, anymore. You come across as a newbie.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is the top 5 ranking from portal transfers for 2024 :

1 - Ole Miss
2 - Colorado
3 - Louisville
4 - TCU
5 - Arizona State

This is the top 5 ranking from high school recruiting for 2024 :

1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio State
3 - Alabama
4 - Florida State
5 - Texas

Which group of schools would you rather be among?
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I've no question that the HS is what happens now but the NIL and portal and unlimited transfer rules are just starting to gain traction.

We've never seen QB transfers like the last year or two. It's not good but it appears to be "a thing" that guys aren't willing to sit and wait as much as they once did.

As I said, as long as Kirby can walk into the living room of a kid and say, "Come to GA. We put 15 guys in the draft last year" and Nick Saban says "I've had over 40 guys go in the 1st round" and Ryan Day can say "we routinely put 6 or 7 guys in the league every year"....... other schools are not going to get those top classes without lots of "gambling" NIL money.

It's uphill to break into that group.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I would also point out that 247 has Jordan Ross as the #11 player overall while Rivals has him at #91 and falling. I don't know what's up with that but seems to be he is an unknown quantify.
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He is not an unknown quantity. LOL!

That says a lot more about what a joke Rivals has become than anything else. ... Again, look around the VN recruiting forum and other football sites as well. Nobody uses Rivals anymore. 247 Sports is a much better service.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I get your passion but experience, SEC experience especially, is well beyond HS.

We got Bailey, very highly touted, and got nothing for our efforts. Hooker, however, seasoned from the ACC, paid off.

We got Cade Mays from GA and he was better than any HS recruit we could've asked for.

Mincey came from the gators and stepped right in.

HS may matter but it's a sure thing that transfers tend to step in and step right up for us.
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I guess CJH should just stop recruiting then
 
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I feel although recruiting is the foundation and most important.. I think retention of your good players especially keeping the younger talent from going to the portal... And hoping the ones you do lose to the portal are more depth guys that can't really play is important.... Then hit your areas of needs with the portal where there is a need for playmakers and depth. Georgia and Bama are losing more talented players to the portal than they can replace from the portal
 
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If we hadn't retained so many "super seniors" for next year we basically wouldn't have had a senior class on the roster because of the mass exodus when cornbread left.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
Good lord people this is simple. Oklahoma has 33 recruits. We have 22. Take away the bottom 11 from Oklahoma to make it even and they have only one 3 star, twenty 4 stars and one five star. We have eight 3 stars. Their average would be much higher. This stuff isn't hard to dissect.

It's no different when pruit got a highly ranked class and people were bowing down to him. He had 30 some recruits when everyone else had less. A handful of people were still trying to explain the reason we were high. Fans only see what they want to see
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Correct. This is easy to Dissect.

Their top 21 players (according to 247 we have 21)

They have

1 98
1 93
5 92
3 91
3 90
4 89
4 88

This rounds out their top 21 recruits as of now on 247. 1902/21 = 90.57. The average for their whole class is 90.76

Tennessee's average for their whole class is 91.12
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is the top 5 ranking from portal transfers for 2024 :

1 - Ole Miss
2 - Colorado
3 - Louisville
4 - TCU
5 - Arizona State

This is the top 5 ranking from high school recruiting for 2024 :

1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio State
3 - Alabama
4 - Florida State
5 - Texas

Which group of schools would you rather be among?
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I would take any of the above at this point..
 
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