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#251
#251
UT IE 95 said:
You are making my point. All the coaches in the Horizon had the same player talent. Pearl wasn't coaching a roaster full of NBA-talent guys and winning. He was coaching future insurance salesmen and pharmaceutical reps. Like the commercial says - his players went on to become professionals is something other than sports.

The competition was tougher in the Big 8/Pac 10 but Brown had much better players of which some would play in the NBA.
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So Bruce Pearl is the Larry Brown of the Horizon League?

What exactly is your point?
 
#252
#252
UT IE 95 said:
You are making my point. All the coaches in the Horizon had the same player talent. Pearl wasn't coaching a roaster full of NBA-talent guys and winning. He was coaching future insurance salesmen and pharmaceutical reps. Like the commercial says - his players went on to become professionals is something other than sports.

The competition was tougher in the Big 8/Pac 10 but Brown had much better players of which some would play in the NBA.
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You don't even understand the point you're trying to make.
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#255
#255
UT IE 95 said:
You are making my point. All the coaches in the Horizon had the same player talent. Pearl wasn't coaching a roaster full of NBA-talent guys and winning. He was coaching future insurance salesmen and pharmaceutical reps. Like the commercial says - his players went on to become professionals is something other than sports.

The competition was tougher in the Big 8/Pac 10 but Brown had much better players of which some would play in the NBA.
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No, the point is that Pearl was coaching against future insurance salesmen and pharmaceutical reps in the Horizon League.
 
#256
#256
UT IE 95 said:
You are making my point. All the coaches in the Horizon had the same player talent. Pearl wasn't coaching a roaster full of NBA-talent guys and winning. He was coaching future insurance salesmen and pharmaceutical reps. Like the commercial says - his players went on to become professionals is something other than sports.

The competition was tougher in the Big 8/Pac 10 but Brown had much better players of which some would play in the NBA.
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Don't see why we should look at that as a bad thing. One thing I find concerning about Pearl is how he has yet to have a player drafted.
 
#257
#257
tigervol9802 said:
So Bruce Pearl is the Larry Brown of the Horizon League?

What exactly is your point?
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If UT had a head coaching opening I would expect a better head coaching option than Larry Brown.

Nothing says "we learned our lesson" like hiring a guy that cheated his two previous sents in the ncaa.

Nothing says "come play for UT" like a 71 year old man.

Nothing says "we are committed to the program" like hiring a coaching nomad.
 
#259
#259
UT IE 95 said:
If UT had a head coaching opening I would expect a better head coaching option than Larry Brown.

Nothing says "we learned our lesson" like hiring a guy that cheated his two previous sents in the ncaa.

Nothing says "come play for UT" like a 71 year old man.

Nothing says "we are committed to the program" like hiring a coaching nomad.
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Keep digging. The hole continues to get deeper.
 
#260
#260
tigervol9802 said:
I'm still waiting on a yes or no answer on whether he thinks Pearl is a better bball coach than Larry Brown.
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On what basis? If it's NCAA W-L, Pearl is better. If it's based on championships, Brown is better.

It's an easy assessment on objective criteria. On a subjective basis I have no idea. If you want experience, Brown is your man. If you need passion, Pearl is your man.

No one can argue the fact that both are very good coaches since they win 3 out of every four games they step on the court in NCAA play.
 
#261
#261
UT IE 95 said:
You obviously missed my point. When the league talent is on par, the coaching results are comparable. Horizon league teams for the most part are comparable talent wise so a good coach can be identified.

Maybe it would help if I used the flip side example. Memphis dominated CUSA late in Calipari's tenure simply by having major conference talent in a lower conference. [B]When Cal was coaching in CUSA with CUSA-talent players he was mediocre at best.[/B] Everyone understands that Cal is a recruiter, but a mediocre coach.
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75% of coaching is recruiting.
 
#262
#262
UT IE 95 said:
You obviously missed my point. When the league talent is on par, the coaching results are comparable. Horizon league teams for the most part are comparable talent wise so a good coach can be identified.

Maybe it would help if I used the flip side example. Memphis dominated CUSA late in Calipari's tenure simply by having major conference talent in a lower conference. When Cal was coaching in CUSA with CUSA-talent players he was mediocre at best. Everyone understands that Cal is a recruiter, but a mediocre coach.
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Why do you leave out what Cal did @ UMASS? Can't wait to hear you rationalize that.
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#263
#263
hatvol96 said:
Since he says all the teams were equal, he appears to be saying Bruce Pearl can't outrecruit Horizon League quality coaches.
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There is clearly a ceiling at which you can recruit in the Horizon League. The John Walls of the world typically don't have them on their short list.
 
#264
#264
UT IE 95 said:
If UT had a head coaching opening I would expect a better head coaching option than Larry Brown.

Nothing says "we learned our lesson" like hiring a guy that cheated his two previous sents in the ncaa.

Nothing says "come play for UT" like a 71 year old man.

Nothing says "we are committed to the program" like hiring a coaching nomad.
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Just curious, who are the guys you would like to see Tennessee go after?

And do you want to retain Pearl even if he's suspended a year?
 
#265
#265
UT IE 95 said:
If UT had a head coaching opening I would expect a better head coaching option than Larry Brown.

Nothing says "we learned our lesson" like hiring a guy that cheated his two previous sents in the ncaa.

Nothing says "come play for UT" like a 71 year old man.

Nothing says "we are committed to the program" like hiring a coaching nomad.
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I'll take a national title and an NBA championship ring on the recruiting trail and beat body paint and a history of your best players ending up in Turkey for pretty much anyone I want.
 
#267
#267
tvolsfan said:
Don't see why we should look at that as a bad thing. One thing I find concerning about Pearl is how he has yet to have a player drafted.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all. It is what it is - better players play in better leagues. The fact that CJ Watson was the only Vol to play in the league yesterday is a sad reality that Bruce has won with less talent than most of his peers.
 
#269
#269
UT IE 95 said:
On what basis? If it's NCAA W-L, Pearl is better. If it's based on championships, Brown is better.

It's an easy assessment on objective criteria. On a subjective basis I have no idea. If you want experience, Brown is your man. If you need passion, Pearl is your man.

No one can argue the fact that both are very good coaches since they win 3 out of every four games they step on the court in NCAA play.
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Let's see, one coach has taken 2 different teams to a Final Four, won an NCAA Championship, won an NBA Championship, won an Olympic bronze medal, and is one of the most respected basketball minds.

The other has won a couple of Horizon league titles, been to 3 Sweet 16s and 1 Elite 8. On top of that, he is hated by his peers.

LB has forgotten more about the game of basketball than BP will ever know.
 
#270
#270
Why does every thread about potential replacement options for Pearl turn into a "Bruce Pearl is the best coach ever and UT will be horrible forever if he were to be fired"?
 
#272
#272
JZVOL said:
Why do you leave out what Cal did @ UMASS? Can't wait to hear you rationalize that.
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Had a good run starting 20 years ago and came up just short riding a special player to the finals?
 
#274
#274
hatvol96 said:
A "finish" Bruce Pearl has never gotten within screaming distance of.
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So getting close and never getting there gets more credit than not getting close. Bottom line, neither have closed the deal. Bragging about getting close is what losers do, right?
 
#275
#275
UT IE 95 said:
And that explains why Cal can only take an NBA roster team in college so far. He can't coach the final 25% of the way to the finish.
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I'll take the better recruiter over the better coach if it means better results. Who wouldn't?
 
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