A Racist Take On Our New Coach

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The biggest question is how this topic gets more discussion than how a new coach, with limited experience, with no NCAAT experience, coaching a team likely to be on sanctions is going to bring any recruits worth discussing. Or at least how much of that is ever possibly offset by the HC being black.

Honestly this thread seems like a convient way to pick at an old subject that rarely gets into public discussion without turning ugly. I'm all for discussing race so that we get to the place where there is nothing left to discuss but I do question it's overall relevance in the bigger issues that UTMBB is going to deal with.
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DD4ME said:
but I do question it's overall relevance in the bigger issues that UTMBB is going to deal with.
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you kind of pointed out the relevance in your first paragraph didn't you?

DD4ME said:
The biggest question is how this topic gets more discussion than how a new coach, with limited experience, with no NCAAT experience, coaching a team likely to be on sanctions is going to bring any recruits worth discussing. Or at least how much of that is ever possibly offset by the HC being black.
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pl3 said:
I'm white and I'm only calling out people like you who can't seem to think without going off on some racist based tangent. And if you knew anything about Memphis you would know there is a lot of pressure to stay home, regardless of who the coach is. You still didn't get the point about more doors opening up, including the Whitehaven door that opened yesterday afternoon as the coach called a UT coach for the first time in years. TELL ME WHY THAT CALL HAPPENED. Keep up with your crusade of ignorance and denial. I prefer to adapt and roll with what is real.
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Your color means NOTHING. The only racism being spouted is by people who think that having a black coach is somehow a magic elixer for recruiting black kids. You seem to think because you know Memphis and you are white that you can spout garbage about how all people handle matters of race. You need to get over yourself. Not sure what you are adapting to and what you are keeping real. I have been real since I was 12 years old playing basketball as the only white starter and pretty shortly after that as the only white kid on my school basketball teams until I arrived at college. That was 1968. Several of these 12 year olds are now my 55 year old friends and they would laugh in your face for 'adapting and keeping it real'.
 
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easleychuck said:
You did not mention the 3 national championship games played and 2 won by UF since UK last made a final four. Kind of a detail, whatever.

My response was to a UK fan trolling the board. They can stuff the Rupp stuff. Joe B's and Rick Pitino's and Tubby's are recent if you count Joe's of 36 years ago.

If you ask today's kids they will have Florida right there with Ky.

My head is fine. And I hate blue. That might make me racist.
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UK dwarfs Florida. If you want to pretend otherwise to argue with a Kentucky fan, I think you are perfectly within your rights. I still think "wrongheaded" applies.
 
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cotton said:
This is not what you said.



Between =/= removed.
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Sorry didn't know who was in the final four this year. Appreciate the help. Not sure what it adds since 2011 - 1998 is 13 years. Glad that I can have an opinon even if I am wrong.
 
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Just saw where Zo met with Bradshaw. Race not an issue. All is good but will Dane be on the sidelines next season. PR move?
 
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pl3 said:
From Memphis, played there, coached HS ball for 3 years and AAU U19 Y for 3 years, with a NC won. Helped coach 30+ D1 signees and talked families through the recruiting process, sat in on visits, and listened to families talk about everything in the world. Yes, I know Jason Peters, the coach at Wooddale. His dad coached at MUS for years. Jason also coached Marc Gasol at Lausanne. Good coach. He's also 5'6 and white, which doesn't fit into this discussion, though he did hate BP. Advice: Don't randomly ask a kids dad if having an African American coach matters. You'll tend to get the same answer.
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Where are all these D1 signees going to play for black coaches??? Roughly what percentage???
 
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droski said:
yeah he won national recrutier of the year 3 times because he is a cheater.
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Actually, yes, it is exactly why he won it. Easily one of the most sleazy recruiters out there. Commits secondary violations at the same rate he drinks Red Bulls and makes no bones about it.
 
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rockytophigh said:
Where are all these D1 signees going to play for black coaches??? Roughly what percentage???
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Yet another that doesn't understand. I never said anything about signing. I said some doors are open for discussion now, versus being shut before.
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easleychuck said:
Your color means NOTHING. The only racism being spouted is by people who think that having a black coach is somehow a magic elixer for recruiting black kids. You seem to think because you know Memphis and you are white that you can spout garbage about how all people handle matters of race. You need to get over yourself. Not sure what you are adapting to and what you are keeping real. I have been real since I was 12 years old playing basketball as the only white starter and pretty shortly after that as the only white kid on my school basketball teams until I arrived at college. That was 1968. Several of these 12 year olds are now my 55 year old friends and they would laugh in your face for 'adapting and keeping it real'.
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I'm talking about recruiting in Memphis and my experience with it. You are talking about playing basketball in 1968. When was your last discussion with a recruit and his family?
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pl3 said:
Yet another that doesn't understand. I never said anything about signing. I said some doors are open for discussion now, versus being shut before.
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Way to evade my question. I understand the concept of a black athelete now wanting to potentially look at UT as a place to go to school. I'm wondering aloud, how much it "really" matters.

I assure you I understand. I grew up in a gym....
 
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rockytophigh said:
Way to evade my question. I understand the concept of a black athelete now wanting to potentially look at UT as a place to go to school. I'm wondering aloud, how much it "really" matters.

I assure you I understand. I grew up in a gym....
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I didn't evade. Your 2nd sentence is basically my point. Peaked interest by some because of the hire. Very simple. Gaining initial interest is the biggest battle for 95% of coaches.
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pl3 said:
I didn't evade. Your 2nd sentence is basically my point. Peaked interest by some because of the hire. Very simple. Gaining initial interest is the biggest battle for 95% of coaches.
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Well, since I don't understand apparently neither do you since we're in similar agreement. Piss poor attitude in quite a few of your posts even though of sound opnion....IMO. :good!:
 
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rockytophigh said:
Well, since I don't understand apparently neither do you since we're in similar agreement. Piss poor attitude in quite a few of your posts even though of sound opnion....IMO. :good!:
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Fair enough on the tude. I just don't argue about subjects I don't understand and many on here do. Your initial point was about signees, %'s, etc. And i responded. Your second point about understanding is quite different than your first. Varying opinions are great, but some are opining without understanding the concept. You don't fit in that category.
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pl3 said:
I'm talking about recruiting in Memphis and my experience with it. You are talking about playing basketball in 1968. When was your last discussion with a recruit and his family?
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If you are recruiting Memphis that would explain why a lot of kids don't go to UT. Maybe you could do us all a favor and stay away.
 
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pl3 said:
Fair enough on the tude. I just don't argue about subjects I don't understand and many on here do. Your initial point was about signees, %'s, etc. And i responded. Your second point about understanding is quite different than your first. Varying opinions are great, but some are opining without understanding the concept. You don't fit in that category.
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Really was just looking for some numbers from someone who's familiar with the Memphis kids. How many of them actually do end up signing with black coaches? Again, I would have a hard time arguing if a kid grows up with mainly kids of his own race....one would naturally assume a certain comfort level there.

I understand your point of a school "perhaps" getting an initial look from the kid. I'm pondering how many of them actually end up signing.
 
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pl3 said:
I'm talking about recruiting in Memphis and my experience with it. You are talking about playing basketball in 1968. When was your last discussion with a recruit and his family?
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No, my post addressed your sh*tty and pompous attitude of calling people racist when you know nothing about any of them.

You seem to think that your limited experience as an AAU coach (an operation that has made recruiting as dirty as it has ever been) makes you an expert and all-knowing on matters of race.

Well, then fine. Put up or shut up:
Please provide a list of kids who have agreed to talk to only schools who did not have white coaches. And in fairness, you should also provide the list of parent's who do not want their kids playing for black coaches.
Your list won't be all encompassing but with your vast knowledge of all things Memphis, it should be quite detailed because, you are after all, the expert in this matter.
 
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pl3 said:
By your name, I assume you have coached, and I assume that's why you understand what I'm talking about. It's nothing but positive news, but clowns make it negative because they can't comprehend.
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Yes I'm just a lowly volunteer assistant but I understand where you are coming from. Let me share this story with you. A few years back we had a young man on our team that was adopted by a white family and the foster father came to our head coach (who is also African American) and sat down man to man and asked coach to help out by taking him under his wing because there are somethings as being a white male he can't teach him or talk to him about that coach could from a culttural standpoint. And coach agreed and was more than happy to take on
that role. Now is that racist? Some people make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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