A Racist Take On Our New Coach

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gainesvol82 said:
I think it is hilarious that the board was pretty unanimous in saying that we needed black assistant coaches for the football team so that they could relate to the players and help recruit but everyone is acting like a black HC in basketball is not a plus.

I do think it needs to be said that players will go where they think is best for them but if all things are equal having a black HC can be a plus.

UT's basketball recruiting base is in an area where racism is still prevalent. Most of the elite white coaches mentioned recruit nationally and are in areas that are not as known for racism. There will always be a segment of people who equate TN, AL, MS with being backwards and racist. If having a black HC helps dispel that notion then how is it a bad thing?
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Don't think anyone said it was bad. I'd agree it could be a big plus but I think it's irrelevant if the coach is not delivering results. Players like to win above all else is my take, not relate else few would play for Saban and Trooper Taylor would be HC somewhere.
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#78
#78
MikeeV9 said:
I love how Calipari and UK remain on your minds...
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Kentucky Basketball is always on the minds of Tennessee fans. The new coach couldn't get through his press conference without fielding Kentucky questions. The Wildcats are the elite program and the measuring stick for other programs to compare.
 
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chuck0303 said:
If a recruit signs up with a school because of the race of their coach they're stupid, period.dot.
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If a player signs up for ANY coach period and not because it is really where they want to be then they're stupid...EXCLAMATION point!

For example....

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#83
#83
Wait A Minute...... Cuonzo Martin is black??

Next thing youre gonna tell me is Mike Hamilton is dip$hiiit.
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Redlegs said:
Kentucky Basketball is always on the minds of Tennessee fans. The new coach couldn't get through his press conference without fielding Kentucky questions. The Wildcats are the elite program and the measuring stick for other programs to compare.
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Pretty much how Tennessee football is always on the minds of Kentucky fans and is the measuring stick for Kentucky to compare to....Kentucky's best football team in forever couldn't beat one of the worse Tennessee football teams ever.

The Tennessee Volunteers football team are an American college football team at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville (UT). The NCAA Division I team is also a member of the Southeastern Conference (SEC).

Having played their first season in 1891, the Vols have amassed a successful tradition for well over a century, with their combined record of 789-340-53 ranking them ninth on the list of all-time winningest major college programs as well as second on the list of winningest SEC programs, just behind Alabama's Crimson Tide. Their all-time ranking in bowl appearances is second (tied with the University of Texas) and sixth in all-time bowl victories. They boast six national titles in their history and their last national championship was in the 1998 college football season.

In football, Tennessee leads Kentucky 72 W - 23 L - 9 T with 26 wins in a row.

In basketball, Kentucky leads Tennessee 140 W - 65 L

Also, Tennessee has beaten Kentucky far more than any other Southeastern Conference team, and has also won more games in Lexington than any other team.
The bold statement is the reason Tennessee basketball is always on Kentucky's mind :eek:k:

You guys own college basketball tradition......we are one of the winningest programs in college football.

Thank you Wikipedia.
 
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bamacheats said:
I'm glad to have a black head coach. I think it will pay dividends in the south. With his upbringing and life experience I believe he may win some key recruiting battles. I know race shouldn't matter, but it does. I think when in the living room of a top prospect, possibly talking to a single mother, his story and experience will be more convincing than the $10k Cheatapari is offering.
At the end of the day, I think Bruce was well liked by his players, but I don't think that they had the respect for him that they should for a head coach. Counzo will be both I think.
GBO!
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This is stupid. Black players don't care if a coach is black or white. They care who, the school and coach, gives them the best chance of doing what they want in life, which is probably to go pro. If you think he will pull more recruits just because he is black you are crazy. I know this. I live in Memphis and can tell you the players don't care. You really need to get out of Knoxville some. It boggles my mind how some people just can't understand, both black and white, that race is not the definitive measuring stick on decisions, it may influence if your a dumbass.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
This is stupid. Black players don't care if a coach is black or white. They care who, the school and coach, gives them the best chance of doing what they want in life, which is probably to go pro. If you think he will pull more recruits just because he is black you are crazy. I know this. I live in Memphis and can tell you the players don't care. You really need to get out of Knoxville some. It boggles my mind how some people just can't understand, both black and white, that race is not the definitive measuring stick on decisions, it may influence if your a dumbass.
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Someone who chooses to live in Memphis calling someone else a dumbass?
:crazy:
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#90
#90
Damn, there are some stupid people on here. The OP is 100% correct with his first statement. Not sure about the rest as I skimmed. Call it whatever you want. Most of you aren't able to have this discussion at any rate, and it's obvious by your responses. This is the fact: CCM will have more opportunities now with certain coaches, high schools and players in Memphis. Why would that be? Doesn't mean he will close more, but he has much more opportunity than UT coaches did previously.
 
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shortgameVol said:
No he wasn't. He was here because he had been Denny Crum's right hand man for years and was his chief recruiter during that time. Everyone liked the hire at the time. It seemed like a good fit. Problem was that Wade wasn't a very good game coach. He recruited some great players while at UT, just couldn't coach them.
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I don't remember all of those great players. Who were they?

bamacheats said:
Weird huh? Scotty and Tobias had ZERO intentions of testing NBA waters until Bruce left.
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This is absolutely wrong.
 
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JZVOL said:
It's not racist, it's a fact. Most of the elite players are black. I've long thought it would be a major plus if we could hire a minority coach. Arky, Bama and LSU have minority coaches already so I feel it's a major plus.
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How's that working out for LSU? I will give you Alabama but irrespective of skin color - the coach has to be likable and someone you want to work with for 4 years.

Your logic results in Wade Houston's of the world being selected coach.

Skin color should be the last and least important criteria.
You have to be able to coach, recruit like a banchee and promote. I don't care if your green, pink, or purple. Conversely, if you can't do those things -- you will not be successful no matter your skin tone.

I am confident Zo can coach -- the other two we will have to wait and see.
 
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Redlegs said:
Kentucky Basketball is always on the minds of Tennessee fans. The new coach couldn't get through his press conference without fielding Kentucky questions. The Wildcats are the elite program and the measuring stick for other programs to compare.
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As much as I hate to admit it, this is true, particularly because they are in our division. It isn't any different than asking a new football coach how and when he expects to compete with Florida or Alabama.
 
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bamacheats said:
Look at the post that I was responding to.
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My mistake. I should have quoted Flatline.

Scotty and Tobias both had the desire to go to the NBA as early as possible from the beginning of their recruitment. It does not sound as if anything has changed with either of them, and I am confident the coaching change will have no impact.

In reading your post again, I think we agree on that. :hi:
 
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Fullfillmer said:
How's that working out for LSU? I will give you Alabama but irrespective of skin color - the coach has to be likable and someone you want to work with for 4 years.

Your logic results in Wade Houston's of the world being selected coach.

Skin color should be the last and least important criteria.
You have to be able to coach, recruit like a banchee and promote. I don't care if your green, pink, or purple. Conversely, if you can't do those things -- you will not be successful no matter your skin tone.

I am confident Zo can coach -- the other two we will have to wait and see.
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My logic? I'm simply saying I think it's a positive.
 
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pl3 said:
Damn, there are some stupid people on here. The OP is 100% correct with his first statement. Not sure about the rest as I skimmed. Call it whatever you want. Most of you aren't able to have this discussion at any rate, and it's obvious by your responses. This is the fact: CCM will have more opportunities now with certain coaches, high schools and players in Memphis. Why would that be? Doesn't mean he will close more, but he has much more opportunity than UT coaches did previously.
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can you give an example of a coach who has used his blackness to his benefit?
 
#99
#99
kptvol said:
I'm sure plenty of people feel that way. Based upon your history, I'd say your perception of who those people are and how many of them there are is completely inaccurate.
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Actually, I wasn't even thinking in political terms. I just figure that some people would believe that a black coach either has more connections or more credibility with some parents of black basketball players (or both), whereas some folks think those same coaches aren't going to be as x-and-o oriented as white coaches.

I'd say a fairly large chunk of people, actually, believe at least some part of it. Funny thing is, they are probably wrong on both counts.



droski said:
thank you for ruining a perfectly good troll.
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My mistake! I owe you one.
 
#100
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gainesvol82 said:
I think it is hilarious that the board was pretty unanimous in saying that we needed black assistant coaches for the football team so that they could relate to the players and help recruit but everyone is acting like a black HC in basketball is not a plus.

I do think it needs to be said that players will go where they think is best for them but if all things are equal having a black HC can be a plus.

UT's basketball recruiting base is in an area where racism is still prevalent. Most of the elite white coaches mentioned recruit nationally and are in areas that are not as known for racism. There will always be a segment of people who equate TN, AL, MS with being backwards and racist. If having a black HC helps dispel that notion then how is it a bad thing?
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Would you care to explain how Tennessee is known for racism, yet North Carolina, Florida, Texas, and Kentucky are not?
 
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