Abortions Rights Win (Again)

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Noni said:
I mean that it's personal and if you've never had to make that decision you can't know how truly weighty it is.

Also, when you legislate abortion you are also legislating healthcare. It's not just a slogan, it's a fact. When doctors cannot perform medically needed abortions they don't practice in that state. They go somewhere else where they can actually treat patients without fear of being criminally charged. There are five women suing Texas because they almost died because their doctor couldn't give them the medical care they needed. Now there are fewer practicing gynecologists in your state which affects all pregnant women. And let's say you are unlucky enough to be pregnant and live in a state where the laws are becoming increasingly draconian and they criminalize abortions. You miscarry (which happens more often that many people realize) but you're afraid to seek medical care because they'll charge you with murder because the doctors are required to report you.

This is really happening in this country in 2023 and it is putting women's lives at risk.

Women want and need authority over their own bodies. Full stop. Your opinion, my opinion or the law should not inhibit her rights.

And it scares the hell out of me to think that my two year old great granddaughter, who I absolutely adore, may come of age without a right that every woman deserves to have. A right that every man has. Autonomy over her own body.
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What a bunch of nonsense.
 
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I looked it up. There are 13 states plus DC that do not require parental consent for a minor to get an abortion, there are 6 states that allow other adult relatives to provide consent in place of a parent or guardian.

What other elective and invasive medical procedures can be performed on a minor without parental consent or the consent of a grandparent, aunt, uncle or cousin?

Forgot the link:

Parental Consent/Notification Requirements for Minors Seeking Abortions | KFF
 
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Noni said:
Read any real news on the subject?
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I know a lot about the subject, thanks for asking. And I know you came in here with a bunch of nonsense rants. Which I responded to and you didn’t address
 
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Vol8188 said:
What about the other body…full stop (apparently that makes it more impactful).

When does your great granddaughter have a right to take the life of another human?

It’s not an opinion to state that there’s a second living human involved in this process and that the life of that human needs to be taken into account (something you’re completely ignoring during your rant).
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hog88 said:
I can't find any state that outlaws "medically necessary" (I'm assuming you mean life of the mother) abortions. Yes, there are including here in TN states that require justification but I didn't see any of them that outright ban medically necessary abortions.

Interactive Map: US Abortion Policies and Access After Roe

Women, nor men currently have complete authority or autonomy over their own bodies and haven't for decades so that argument is not valid. Also the fear that a woman would be prosecuted for going out of state for an abortion is unjustified, there is no possible way for any such law to stand a court challenge.

Now, with all of that said I 100% oppose a federal ban on abortions so much so that I will not vote for a candidate who supports one. If it came up for a vote in TN I would vote against completely banning the practice I would vote against it. I would vote for a state law banning the practice after say 8 weeks but I am open to discussion on maybe a shorter or longer term by a week or 2.
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Reasonable
 
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Vol8188 said:
Everything you’ve said has been nonsense. Just slogans you’ve under thought to this point.
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You and I are oceans apart on this issue.

But yea, her entire premise appears to be based on the “no uterus, no opinion” cry - which I thoroughly reject as pure nonsense.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You and I are oceans apart on this issue.

But yea, her entire premise appears to be based on the “no uterus, no opinion” cry - which I thoroughly reject as pure nonsense.
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Yeah, I can admit and accept arguments on this topic I disagree with and I’m not a hardliner here (I’d like to see a ban around 12-16 weeks), but this poster has just heard campaign slogans and is repeating them
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
It's just the irony that the majority of these politicians making these decisions are old white males. I presented the "16 YO getting vasectomies mandate" earlier (which was a joke but some people actually said was a good idea) Imagine if that decision was made by an overwhelmingly large majority of females. Y'all boys couldn't be exercising your 2a fast enough....
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Why are you bringing up skin color? Would it matter if they were old black males?
 
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Noni said:
I mean that it's personal and if you've never had to make that decision you can't know how truly weighty it is.

Also, when you legislate abortion you are also legislating healthcare. It's not just a slogan, it's a fact. When doctors cannot perform medically needed abortions they don't practice in that state. They go somewhere else where they can actually treat patients without fear of being criminally charged. There are five women suing Texas because they almost died because their doctor couldn't give them the medical care they needed. Now there are fewer practicing gynecologists in your state which affects all pregnant women. And let's say you are unlucky enough to be pregnant and live in a state where the laws are becoming increasingly draconian and they criminalize abortions. You miscarry (which happens more often that many people realize) but you're afraid to seek medical care because they'll charge you with murder because the doctors are required to report you.

This is really happening in this country in 2023 and it is putting women's lives at risk.

Women want and need authority over their own bodies. Full stop. Your opinion, my opinion or the law should not inhibit her rights.

And it scares the hell out of me to think that my two year old great granddaughter, who I absolutely adore, may come of age without a right that every woman deserves to have. A right that every man has. Autonomy over her own body.
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So should a woman be able to terminate a pregnancy for any reason at anytime during the pregnancy? Without any repercussions or fear of consequences?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So should a woman be able to terminate a pregnancy for any reason at anytime during the pregnancy? Without any repercussions or fear of consequences?
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I know you weren't asking me but while I do not think it is always necessarily think it is morally right, this is America. Land of the free. Go look up the list of countries that restrict or ban abortion. We aren't them.

I also don't believe our children should go to school afraid of being shot, but y'all don't seem to care as much about that.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Go look up the list of countries that restrict or ban abortion. We aren't them.
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Someone has lied to you. Nearly all countries limit abortion. You’d have a hard time finding a country that doesn’t. Where are you getting this lie that the rest of the world doesn’t restrict abortion!

We can start with our nearest countries:

Canada: limited to 24 weeks
Mexico: 12 weeks

We can then look at Europe:

Northern Ireland: 12 weeks
UK: 24 weeks
France: 14 weeks
Germany: 12 weeks

Japan: 9 weeks
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I know you weren't asking me but while I do not think it is always necessarily think it is morally right, this is America. Land of the free. Go look up the list of countries that restrict or ban abortion. We aren't them.

I also don't believe our children should go to school afraid of being shot, but y'all don't seem to care as much about that.
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Stop with the ridiculous examples. Kids aren’t scared of getting shot at schools. And if you think it’s a gun issue then you need to educate yourself. You are making the false assumption that just because a majority of people think a certain way, well it’s just right. Sorry it’s not.

I am not talking about banning abortion. Nor do I want the government to have full control over anyone’s life. However, there have to be laws. I don’t care what you or anyone else says, a woman should not be able to get an abortion for ANY reason she chooses at any point she chooses. Also, when it comes to say a married couple or a couple, the man should have a ssy in the matter. Without him she couldn’t get pregnant in the firstnn by place.

Don’t talk about America land if the free when you think people shouldn’t have the right to bear arms.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Stop with the ridiculous examples. Kids aren’t scared of getting shot at schools. And if you think it’s a gun issue then you need to educate yourself. You are making the false assumption that just because a majority of people think a certain way, well it’s just right. Sorry it’s not.

I am not talking about banning abortion. Nor do I want the government to have full control over anyone’s life. However, there have to be laws. I don’t care what you or anyone else says, a woman should not be able to get an abortion for ANY reason she chooses at any point she chooses. Also, when it comes to say a married couple or a couple, the man should have a ssy in the matter. Without him she couldn’t get pregnant in the firstnn by place.

Don’t talk about America land if the free when you think people shouldn’t have the right to bear arms.
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That's fine. Let the states the decide. Stop being butthurt the majority doesn't share your opinion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Someone has lied to you. Nearly all countries limit abortion. You’d have a hard time finding a country that doesn’t. Where are you getting this lie that the rest of the world doesn’t restrict abortion!

We can start with our nearest countries:

Canada: limited to 24 weeks
Mexico: 12 weeks

We can then look at Europe:

Northern Ireland: 12 weeks
UK: 24 weeks
France: 14 weeks
Germany: 12 weeks

Japan: 9 weeks
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Out of curiosity - what are the restrictions in utopian Scandinavia?
 
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