Air fresheners are illegal in Minnesota

[Ttucke11]

I just think about firefighters/EMTs, they do their jobs just fine without a weapon on their hip. Cops are at the same calls, that's like the majority of what they do

you also think about firefighters/EMTs they tailor their equipment for the nature of the call. They aren't bringing the big hoses for every call, they bring the narcan when its an overdose call, the water trucks when its a fire, etc. etc.

why can't cops do that? Leave the guns at home when you are responding to an accident, or someone is speeding/driving drunk. Get a call about an active shooter at the school (extremely rare), or a violent domestic disturbance with possible weapons (less rare), ok bring the guns...
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Mostly I think about this to protect the officers. It is unsafe to put them in situations where weapons aren't needed with their weapons. Accidents happen (obviously) among other things

Firefighters/EMTs don't step foot inside a house without cops there because they don't weapons. I've seen them station in front of a house of an 80 year old diabetic woman having an episode. Like @utvols88 said the best you're getting is reachable in the car. Cops respond to a much different variety of calls than EMTs. Trust me, I've done both.

 

[n_huffhines]

What if the perp rolls up to influce your mom telling the cop something and he's sitting there with a tiny can of mace in a gun fight though? Should his gun be out of its holster? Absolutely not. I think better training on when to pull out the gun is needed and happens. The issue here is the officer yanked the wrong weapon but she would have still been on the list to have it on her person during this encounter so it doesn't quite solve this problem. I celebrate the ideas though. And sometimes discussion leads to a better idea.

Haha, a HS kid threw a firecracker at her car.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think you could give most of the police force in this country tasers instead of guns and save lots of lives and they do their jobs just the same.

I'm not saying all police officers of course, it should depend on the assignment or the expected encounters. Ironically warrant enforcement would probably 1 of the ones where guns are needed. But for most of the officers, they are peace officers and should be armed appropriately for that role.

might also help establish trust with the communities as right now it is (sadly) lacking

This is the dumbest thing you have said, which says a lot

 

[Rickyvol77]

Because cop lives matter more than civilian lives, so we won't even consider some cops not carrying on their person...

Who is saying that?....a civilian doesn't have to answer calls for service with violent people every day

 

[RikidyBones]

Haha, a HS kid threw a firecracker at her car.

Snitches get stitches huff.

 

[Ttucke11]

What makes you say this with any confidence? Where are you getting support for this idea? Is that how you see cops in the UK who don't carry?

The populace there does not have guns. They are at least on equal footing.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You need to take a step outside the box sometimes. How could you possibly think with any certainty that all cops being armed is the best solution? How could you be dealing in such absolutes? Do you know something we don't know?

Because when a police officer gets attacked or shot at or stabbed on a call and all they have is a taser that isn't that useful, it's absolutely stupid to suggest

 

[DinkinFlicka]

didn’t know that at the time I wrote that

Are you just not following the story?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Based on what? I realize we wont 0 unjust shootings. But I would guess the police to civilian interactions would number in the millions. So what percent are we sitting at on unjust shootings?

I say this realizing improvment is always a goal to aim for.

4 million citizen encounters with LEO a year in this country....less than 1,000 shootings each year, out of those maybe 200-400 serious shootings, out of those .0001% are unjustified or illegal

 

[Rickyvol77]

It doesn't necessarily mean that. You can still train most/everybody to be responders. That doesn’t mean a meter maid needs to have a gun on her hip at all times.

If they are responding to a domestic call, they can get a gun out of the car, if they think the situation calls for it.

You do realize simple traffic stops, meter maid encounters, etc. do escalate to violence as well right? I once went on a call of kids playing in the street and arguing and I arrived and it was actually a young teenage couple and she had cut his stomach open with a kitchen knife and tried to stab me

 

[Rickyvol77]

I just think about firefighters/EMTs, they do their jobs just fine without a weapon on their hip. Cops are at the same calls, that's like the majority of what they do

you also think about firefighters/EMTs they tailor their equipment for the nature of the call. They aren't bringing the big hoses for every call, they bring the narcan when its an overdose call, the water trucks when its a fire, etc. etc.

why can't cops do that? Leave the guns at home when you are responding to an accident, or someone is speeding/driving drunk. Get a call about an active shooter at the school (extremely rare), or a violent domestic disturbance with possible weapons (less rare), ok bring the guns...
--

Mostly I think about this to protect the officers. It is unsafe to put them in situations where weapons aren't needed with their weapons. Accidents happen (obviously) among other things

hahahahah firefighters and EMT won't respond until police clear the scene 95% of the time.

 

[n_huffhines]

The populace there does not have guns. They are at least on equal footing.

So take guns away?

If you look at policing as cops vs. civilians, then this line of reasoning trumps all. Some dudes have machine guns here and our cops do not, so that's not equal footing but we still manage. It's a tradeoff between cop lives and civilian lives and we need to find the sweet spot where the most lives are preserved.

We live in an extremely over-policed society and we're far too resistant to challenging the status quo.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm so glad we live in a small isolated community...we are just gonna live in our bubble because insanity is mainstream

Not sure if serious, but I thought that up until last year... and then the covid broke out. The truth is that they are going to bring the fight to you no matter where you are.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This is potentially your dumbest comment on this board. I don't even need to explain why.

No, explain why. Far too many of these cops enter a situation knowing that they have guns and have numbers and act accordingly. They usually escalate when they are needing to de-escalate and a lot of these guys have itchy trigger fingers.

 

[Ttucke11]

So take guns away?

If you look at policing as cops vs. civilians, then this line of reasoning trumps all. Some dudes have machine guns here and our cops do not, so that's not equal footing but we still manage. It's a tradeoff between cop lives and civilian lives and we need to find the sweet spot where the most lives are preserved.

We live in an extremely over-policed society and we're far too resistant to challenging the status quo.

I don't look at it as me vs anyone. I look at it as I want to have the ability to go home to my family. A life is a life, there doesn't have to be a tradeoff. I have some suggestions on how to preserve life, but I'm sure you won't like them.

I don't disagree with the last part. Our solutions vary greatly though I'm sure.

 

[Rickyvol77]

No, explain why. Far too many of these cops enter a situation knowing that they have guns and have numbers and act accordingly. They usually escalate when they are needing to de-escalate and a lot of these guys have itchy trigger fingers.

if thats true then why do only less than a thousand calls for service a year out of 4 million end in shootings?

 

[allvol123]

4 million citizen encounters with LEO a year in this country....less than 1,000 shootings each year, out of those maybe 200-400 serious shootings, out of those .0001% are unjustified or illegal

This.

Again, we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just as you dont stop J&J vaccine distribution over some isolated incidents, you dont trash our law enforcement system over a few incidents.

 

[lukeneyland]

Guess it depends on whether or not you believe the claims of Brushy Bill Roberts as to being Billy the Kid. Who really knows?

Brushy Bill Roberts - Wikipedia

That’s a fun read but I probably don’t believe it. I guess it’s possible though. Wonder if the Kid has any relatives that are buried in known graves. DNA test would be cool

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because specializing would mean response time increases unless you dramatically increase labor force. So either it becomes less efficient or you pay for more cops.

Example, an officer that is called to a domestic dispute needs a gun for obvious reasons. Those cops may need assistance from several others. Well if there are multiple situations that all need assistance, do you want your dispatch to place your plea for help on a waiting list? Do you want a window between 1 and 4 like Comcast? Traffic officers may just be sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Patrols might be twiddling their thumbs. It's not accounts receivables that can wait. It's people's emergencies and cops need to be crossed trained to handle various situations to be effective with timing without hiring double the cops

Response times would probably improve if cops were not out here pestering law abiding citizens as much as they do, nor do they need to send 10 cop cars to a domestic altercation in the majority of instances.

 

[lukeneyland]

Are you just not following the story?

Passingly. When I got done with school I went on a ping pong binge and didn’t have much interest in checking the news except for baseball scores.

 

[Ttucke11]

No, explain why. Far too many of these cops enter a situation knowing that they have guns and have numbers and act accordingly. They usually escalate when they are needing to de-escalate and a lot of these guys have itchy trigger fingers.

I can only speak for myself and who I've worked with. I know you hate the police, so whatever I say is going to be irrelevant to you. I just think it opens up a Pandora's Box of further problems. Also saying cops "usually escalate" and have "itchy trigger fingers" has no basis in any facts, those are opinions. Better training, higher standards, raising pay, designated units, etc, I'm all for it. Disarming the police in a country full of guns, hard no.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Response times would probably improve if cops were not out here pestering law abiding citizens as much as they do, nor do they need to send 10 cop cars to a domestic altercation in the majority of instances.

Again you really need to do a ride along with your local PD because you have no clue about reality in calls for service or what actually happens here...in Knoxville or Knox Co there are times there aren't "10 cop cars" manning the entire city/county

 

[Tastylicks]

You do realize simple traffic stops, meter maid encounters, etc. do escalate to violence as well right? I once went on a call of kids playing in the street and arguing and I arrived and it was actually a young teenage couple and she had cut his stomach open with a kitchen knife and tried to stab me

they often escalate because of the weapons, not in spite of them

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So what happens when your noise complaint turns out to be an aggravated domestic? Just tell the lady getting her face smashed in, it'll be another 15 minutes I guess. I mean if your bar is meter maids, then sure. Anyone on patrol should have a gun. Period. Otherwise they're just a waste of time and resources. And you trust them to leave it in the car, or make a decision to carry it? Well I'm carrying it 100% of the time, just like I do in everyday life.

Well first off, you are buying into the narrative that these domestic calls are usually cases of a poor innocent female being victimized by a toxically-masculine man and that this one event was the only event to ever happen in their relationship. The truth is that in many of these domestic incidents, it isn't the first altercation or first time cops were called to that particular scene and the women are not the innocent Pearl Purehearts that is painted in the narrative. But again, we are getting into problems related to the breakdown of our social fabric. Cops can't be expected to solve these issues that liberal policies helped to create.

 

[Blake25p]

"She Should Never Be A Cop Again" Ex Officer Tatum Breaks Down Daunte Wright Fatal Shooting.. Claims Its Both The Officer & Victim's Fault!

I mean yeah, she should go to prison IMO