Alex Poythress

#376
#376
BigPapaCat said:
This year everyone says will win it. Which is exactly why i think we wont. We arent mature enough. Davis and MKG cant carry the team without help from Jones, Miller and Lamb. But it seems like no one can hit consistency.
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Definitely not Jones...he's been really streaky this year, when he's not just been completely non-existent. Sometimes he looks like the star he was last year, and other times I feel like he's lost.
 
#377
#377
RhodesVol said:
Definitely not Jones...he's been really streaky this year, when he's not just been completely non-existent. Sometimes he looks like the star he was last year, and other times I feel like he's lost.
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I agree. With him, it's like he hates the idea of not being the shiny new toy. He seems to resent the attention Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist are getting and it seems to affect his play. At times, he appears to sleep-walk through entire portions of games.
 
#378
#378
cncchris33 said:
For the record, I didn't say half the stuff you attributed to me in that post. I wish you would do a better job recollecting or interpreting what I have said and stop putting words in my mouth. Just review the earlier posts before you start spouting off.
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Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange
he is saying if they dont win a championship then they need to be pulling back to back final fours pretty much every year. That is not how I understood it. I imagine this scenario keeping him safe...Elite 8, FF, FF, Elite 8, FF. The first two represent his first two seasons and the last three a possible scenario for this season and the next two. To say that he needs to be pulling in Final Four's every year is ridiculous. you never said that this would be all it would take, you insinuated multiple times that elite 8's were plenty good enough to keep his job and even sweet 16's were fine. I don't remember saying that Elite 8 appearances ONLY were satisfactory and certainly not Sweet 16's. Feel free to find proof of that one. from my understanding hardwood is saying that if cal doesnt win a championship he better be rolling off final fours 2 and 3 in a row and maybe one or two elite 8's at worse in his tenure, that was my understanding. from what you said cal is fine not getting that deep every year, you said fans expecting final fours and elite 8's every year need to lower their expectations. Never said any of that, but on the subject, do I think he is getting fired if he gets knocked out in the Sweet 16 one year? Nope. so you are suggesting that sweet 16 one year elite 8 one year and final 4 one year is plenty good enough, or something to that effect. i would disagree with that resume being ok but i suppose only time will tell. as you said earlier if he wins one then noone of this really mattters



cncchris33 said:
Yes, I disagree 100%. True, UK fans want to win championships, but the next best thing is making the Final Four, bragging about how they had the best talent, slobbering all over their five 1st round picks every year, and gloating about having the #1 recruiting class year in and year out.

If Cal can't win them all with the best talent, who is better-suited to come in and accomplish more? They have the most high-profile coach in college basketball. That matters to Kentucky fans. Who is going to come in and make a bigger splash? As long as they keep bringing in All-American after All-American, keep winning 28+ times a year, and keep putting every starter in the draft, then he is going to be fine. He is as revered in Lexington as Pearl was here by fans before the scandal. His philanthropy work in the community and abroad is adored by fans. Their fans love being the first highlight on ESPN. They love that pros that didn't even play for Cal come to UK to train in the offseason. Simply put, they LOVE the exposure someone like Cal brings to the program and spotlight he puts on Kentucky basketball.

You mention getting knocked out early, but they made it to the Elite Eight and Final Four in his only two seasons. If that is getting knocked out early, then people need to lower their expectations. As for the money that they pay him, they could afford to pay him double that amount if they wanted or needed. The Tubby Smith comparison doesn't hold water in my mind. He was fired for losing games, losing the fanbases' confidence, and not bringing in good enough talent. Certainly, all those factors led to not winning championships, but I can assure you that if he had Cal's resume at UK, he wouldn't have been urged to pursue other options. You are right, he did win with Pitino's talent and then failed to bring in similar talent. He also played a starkly different brand of basketball than the run-and-gun game Pitino played.

according to the first bolded statement of yours you claim as long as they have a lineup of 5 nba players and win 28 games hes fine you dont even make a claim there of how far they need to go.

then in the second bolded statement you say that they were knocked out in the elite 8 and the final four if these are fans expectations they need to lower them. therefore lowering them would mean atleast a sweet 16 maybe even worse but you say flat out fans need to lower their expectations if they expect final fours and elite 8's. now you are stating that the scenario of ff and elite 8's all together would work.



DO YOU SEE THE 2ND BIG BOLDED STATEMENT. THAT IS YOUR QUOTE YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT.
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#379
#379
cncchris33 said:
He has said multiple times that he doesn't like the one and done rule, but he has to play by it. If he doesn't recruit them, the competition will. He has the system to blame, not himself.
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i dont completely buy that. coach k, williams, calhoun and self dont recruit every single one of these guys they fill out their rosters with 3 and 4 stars also that are going to play a few years. do you not recall coach k saying that he doesnt want to bring in one and done guys?
 
#381
#381
cncchris33 said:
I agree. With him, it's like he hates the idea of not being the shiny new toy. He seems to resent the attention Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist are getting and it seems to affect his play. At times, he appears to sleep-walk through entire portions of games.
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best thing for him would have been to leave last year IMO, i dont think he has done anything but lower his draft stock this year
 
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#382
bleedingTNorange said:
i dont completely buy that. coach k, williams, calhoun and self dont recruit every single one of these guys they fill out their rosters with 3 and 4 stars also that are going to play a few years. do you not recall coach k saying that he doesnt want to bring in one and done guys?
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BS. They recruit every single one of them. Cal just lands them.
 
#383
#383
bleedingTNorange said:
best thing for him would have been to leave last year IMO, i dont think he has done anything but lower his draft stock this year
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Agree he should have left last season. He will still be drafted high on his potential, but perhaps not as high as he would have been last year. Attitude questions are being raised this year.
 
#384
#384
bleedingTNorange said:
i dont completely buy that. coach k, williams, calhoun and self dont recruit every single one of these guys they fill out their rosters with 3 and 4 stars also that are going to play a few years. do you not recall coach k saying that he doesnt want to bring in one and done guys?
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You cant say that with a straight face can you?
 
#390
#390
2014 top 10
duke 2 out of 10
kansas 1 out of 10
north carolina 2 out of 10
uconn 3 out of 10
KENTUCKY 5 out of 10

do you notice a trend here???
 
#391
#391
bleedingTNorange said:
Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange
according to the first bolded statement of yours you claim as long as they have a lineup of 5 nba players and win 28 games hes fine you dont even make a claim there of how far they need to go.

Yeah, under the understood assumption that most likely winning 28+ games with that roster is going to put UK somewhere around the Elite Eight or better.

then in the second bolded statement you say that they were knocked out in the elite 8 and the final four if these are fans expectations they need to lower them. therefore lowering them would mean atleast a sweet 16 maybe even worse but you say flat out fans need to lower their expectations if they expect final fours and elite 8's. now you are stating that the scenario of ff and elite 8's all together would work.

I said if UK fans consider losing in the Elite Eight or Final Four as getting knocked out early, then they need to lower expectations. That's not getting knocked out early. That's a nice freaking season. Here is my exact quote...
"You mention getting knocked out early, but they made it to the Elite Eight and Final Four in his only two seasons. If that is getting knocked out early, then people need to lower their expectations."
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bleedingTNorange said:
2014 top 10
duke 2 out of 10
kansas 1 out of 10
north carolina 2 out of 10
uconn 3 out of 10
KENTUCKY 5 out of 10

do you notice a trend here???
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I hate to break it to you, but those lists reveal a recruit's interest in the school, not the school's interest in the recruit. I guarantee you, outside of serious character or academic concerns, any school you mentioned would take any of those kids if they showed up on campus and told the coach they wanted to come play there.

Also, 2014 is a long way off, so many schools are still in the process of evaluating players who are sophomores in high school, so I wouldn't use that as some lock-tight conclusion.
 
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#394
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cncchris33 said:
I hate to break it to you, but those lists reveal a recruit's interest in the school, not the school's interest in the recruit. I guarantee you, outside of serious character or academic concerns, any school you mentioned would take any of those kids if they showed up on campus and told the coach they wanted to come play there.
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seriously stop right now. your going to tell me ALL of those kids wouldnt like to play for duke, uconn, kansas or north carolina??? bull freaking crap 99.9% of kids would love to play at any of those schools. to say that 9 out of 10 kids in the top 10 dont have any interest in playing for those schools is ridiculous, get serious now.
 
#397
#397
cncchris33 said:
That's right, I forgot that there was a win requirement to get in the Elite 8. You are ridiculous man.
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i was being sarcastic if they only won around 28 games like you suggested they would probably be knocked out in the first round. uk will probably be about a 34 win team most seasons if they are making deep runs like your saying. calm down.
 
#398
#398
cncchris33 said:
That's right, I forgot that there was a win requirement to get in the Elite 8. You are ridiculous man.
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the fact that you honestly think though that the top players in this years class and next years dont want to play for uconn, duke, nc, or kansas is whats ridiculous man. look at their current rosters all of them they dont recruit like that they are very balanced, its a very simple concept.
 
#399
#399
cncchris33 said:
I hate to break it to you, but those lists reveal a recruit's interest in the school, not the school's interest in the recruit. I guarantee you, outside of serious character or academic concerns, any school you mentioned would take any of those kids if they showed up on campus and told the coach they wanted to come play there.

Also, 2014 is a long way off, so many schools are still in the process of evaluating players who are sophomores in high school, so I wouldn't use that as some lock-tight conclusion.
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well kentucky sure didnt mind jumping the gun and getting a start on recruiting em' did they?

in all seriousness this is a great article read it if you have time its not long it talks about coach k recruiting philosophy and how he doesnt recruit one and done guys. it also shows his past rankings for his recruiting classes it is truly a compliment to how good of a coach he is...A coach doing it right in a world of wrong
 
#400
#400
bleedingTNorange said:
read the post that you bolded statements and claimed to have not said these thiings, you say: you never said that if fans are expecting final fours and elite 8's that they need to lower their expectations...you clearly did say this
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Seriously dude. Do I need to break it down into phonics for you?!?!?! Listen carefully...

Call me crazy I've been called worse but u disagree. I lived in ky for a year and one of my good friends father is a uk booster. Words from his mouth were if cal doesn't win in the next few years and continues getting knocked out early with the money were paying him the seat will start getting hot.,you don't have to believe me if you don't want but most uk fans will tell you it's all about championships there, the recruiting classes are nice but will get old if they don't win one. I know it's a little different but tubby was ran out because he couldn't win another one. They all claimed the only reason he won the one was it was pitinos players, and he couldn't do it himself. I promise you and you can choose to believe me or not, with what they pay cal if he doesn't win within the next 3-5 years IMO from what I've been told he will be let go. Now as you said he may split first but it isn't impossible for him to be fired.

This is your exact, direct quote where you say if they continue to be knocked out EARLY. This is the excerpt from my response...

You mention getting knocked out early, but they made it to the Elite Eight and Final Four in his only two seasons. If that is getting knocked out early, then people need to lower their expectations.

So, let's review. You said that Cal would be gone if he continued to get knocked out early according to your "booster" friend. I stated that IF GETTING TO THE ELITE EIGHT AND FINAL FOUR IN YOUR FIRST TWO SEASONS IS GETTING KNOCKED OUT EARLY, THEN FANS NEED TO LOWER THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

I'm not denying that I said it, but you are trying to use it out of context to accuse me of saying that Kentucky fans should lower their expectations from even making it to the Elite Eight and Final Four. What I said was that if they consider losing in the Elite Eight or Final Four as getting "knocked out early", and in turn are ready to fire Cal for getting "knocked out early" in the Elite Eight and Final Four, then they need to lower their expectations.

Two very different statements.
 
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