Amazon lands The Lord of the Rings TV series

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volinbham said:
While I'm grateful that Peter Jackson brought the trilogy to the big screen in an epic way I found it at times to be more intent on cool CGI stuff than story. This was particularly true in the Hobbit.

In contrast I've found this production so far to be a better balance of story and insane action scene - I hope it continues that way. Maybe it's more interesting because I don't know the story but when I've tried to rewatch LoTR it's a bit too much pure good vs pure evil and CGI overload.
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I didn’t hate the Hobbit movies but they never should have been 3 movies. That was a total cash grab. While there was certain aspects I enjoyed them building up, most of it was pretty pointless *cough* Filly’s mutual attraction with Tauriel *cough*. Adding in the Orcs just seemed strange as well.

The Battle of Five Armies was 80% just battle sequences. The cool wore off after about 30 min. I found myself dozing off a couple times.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I didn’t hate the Hobbit movies but they never should have been 3 movies. That was a total cash grab. While there was certain aspects I enjoyed them building up, most of it was pretty pointless *cough* Filly’s mutual attraction with Tauriel *cough*. Adding in the Orcs just seemed strange as well.

The Battle of Five Armies was 80% just battle sequences. The cool wore off after about 30 min. I found myself dozing off a couple times.
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To be fair, I believe Peter Jackson wanted to make each LotR movies three separate movies per book.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
They were broken up into 2 books each and continued numbering. Two Towers contains Book Three and Book Four. It’s confusing the hell out of my kids LOL.
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Rewatching the movies with my wife who hasn’t read the books or seen the movies before, I realized how much context or assuming the watcher has read the books was factored in. There were times she was lost and I had to remember why things happened a certain way.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
To be fair, I believe Peter Jackson wanted to make each LotR movies three separate movies per book.
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He also took over The Hobbit very late in the process and wasn’t allowed to start over. He said he would have done things differently if he had his way.
 
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So far, episode 3 is my favorite. From seeing Numenor, which was stunning to the arc with the captured Silvan Elves and then ending with the Harfoots, everything was well written.

The look they went with for Numenor looks almost exactly how I pictured it. Seeing Elendil and Isildur and their relationship with each other was very cool. Don’t know how I feel about Galadriels storyline yet but her actress has been great.

My way too early theory is that Halbrand is Sauron. Though it happens differently Sauron is imprisoned in Numenor like Halbrand. Is persuasive like Halbrand has already shown himself to be. Halbrand was interested in forging, Sauron forged the One Ring obviously. Sauron while imprisoned gains influence with Pharazon and eventually leads to the downfall of Numenor.

In the captured elves arc, before cutting down the tree Arondir says a line in Quenya that was a Tolkien translation of the Lord’s Prayer into Quenya. The part they used was where it says “forgive us our trespasses”. So that was incredibly moving and shows they are really interested in Tolkien and his love for language.

With the Harfoots/hobbit part, I didn’t realize until my second viewing that all of Poppy’s family had died in a landslide. They were mentioned when they named the dead and that’s why she was crying and sitting alone. Also explains why she’s always trying to make sure Nori is safe, because Nori is all she has now. Poppy also would’ve been all alone in the back of the caravan had Nori not gotten her family sent there.

I think the meteor man is definitely a wizard. Probably one of the blue wizards but could be any of them. I don’t think it’s Gandalf because he isn’t supposed to be in middle earth yet but they are compressing the timeline so who knows for sure.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The only legit criticism I’ve heard so far is the first two are a little slow and plodding.

To which I have to ask… did you ever read Tolkien bro? 😂
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I haven't started it yet, but the criticism I've heard is why are orcs so incredibly weak? I guess they are getting bested by women and children. Thoughts?
 
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Imo the orcs were not weak exactly, but their greatest strength was numbers and sheer viciousness. Now the uruki or however you spell it were obviously stronger than normal orcs, but still relied on numbers. As for the "bested by women and children" that's not exactly like it sounds. To me the situation was somewhat believable when you add in the other factors there. I won't say more though since you haven't watched it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I haven't started it yet, but the criticism I've heard is why are orcs so incredibly weak? I guess they are getting bested by women and children. Thoughts?
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It’s one scene with one orc if I recall correctly. And requires context.

The “super fans” decided before the release to shoot holes in the show. Interesting that they must be watching, nonetheless.

So far, I think it is well done, and the story being built is interesting. But, again, I’m not a super fan pouring over every detail for some form of accuracy.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
It’s one scene with one orc if I recall correctly. And requires context.

The “super fans” decided before the release to shoot holes in the show. Interesting that they must be watching, nonetheless.

So far, I think it is well done, and the story being built is interesting. But, again, I’m not a super fan pouring over every detail for some form of accuracy.
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My superfan friends like it. That's the only thing they were complaining about
 
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chatsworth_vol said:
Imo the orcs were not weak exactly, but their greatest strength was numbers and sheer viciousness. Now the uruki or however you spell it were obviously stronger than normal orcs, but still relied on numbers. As for the "bested by women and children" that's not exactly like it sounds. To me the situation was somewhat believable when you add in the other factors there. I won't say more though since you haven't watched it.
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Orcs were more or less cannon fodder. With the exception of the occasional leader that would take a little more tussling to overcome. Most of the others would go down with one arrow or swing of the sword.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Orcs were more or less cannon fodder. With the exception of the occasional leader that would take a little more tussling to overcome. Most of the others would go down with one arrow or swing of the sword.
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uruks were typically tougher to take down. morgoth also
 
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I enjoy this show. Haven't read The Silmarillion but knocked out The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings several times. I can see how nerd supernerdfans get upset with the show and the liberties it takes with how people look but its fantasy..you can do that sh!t.

And to second a comment from before, it is cool to see the LoTR places before they were what they were in those movies/books. Reminds me of the Netflix show Kingdom where you see all the old English towns and their latin names.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Oh, they're superfans. You're saying they are or aren't weak in the books?
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Tolkien’s orcs are cannon fodder. They were originally elves corrupted by Morgoth, and so they’re at best an inferior copy of the other races. They’re essentially mass produced. Very different from orcs in media like World of Warcraft, Skyrim, Dungeons and Dragons, etc. who are a species unto themselves and quite strong.

Tolkien’s orcs only win through sheer numerical superiority, as they are thoroughly outclassed in terms of size, strength, and typically equipment by even a very modest human or elf warrior. Dwarves vastly outclass them in weight and strength though not height. Saruman’s Uruk-Hai were unique in that they were of size and strength somewhat comparable to the average human, a vast improvement over the relatively small and weak typical orc. They were not borderline superhuman the way Lurtz is portrayed in the Fellowship. Someone like Aragorn at 6’6” would still totally outmatch an Uruk-hai at typically around 6’. Even with Uruk-Hai, Saruman’s strongest, best fighters were still human men drawn from the tribes than populated the Gap of Rohan and resented Rohan’s rule.

All that to say: the average woman and her 14ish year old son should absolutely be able to take down an orc, and anyone who has an issue with that scene is probably bothered by things other than accuracy to the lore.
 
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Also, your ordinary orc had a great deal of trouble functioning in daylight.

The Uruks were bigger, stronger, and able to function in daylight.

Note also that in third Lord of the Rings movie, the orcs are able to often kill ordinary soldiers of Gondor in one-on-one combat. Naturally they are cannon fodder for the charging Rohirrim.
 
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