Annoying people who always want stuff for free

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RollinVol said:
I love how tipping etiquette went from just 10% years ago. To a 10,15,20% depending on service. And now it's like you should give 20% minimum no matter what.
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When was it 10%? 15% has been the norm my whole life. It might have to do with demand for servers...seems like we have more and more restaurants per capita these days, but I can't find any data to support that.

I give about 20% unless my service was bad.
 
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n_huffhines said:
When was it 10%? 15% has been the norm my whole life. It might have to do with demand for servers...seems like we have more and more restaurants per capita these days, but I can't find any data to support that.

I give about 20% unless my service was bad.
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he was probably just a terrible tipper for a while and someone explained to him the ins and outs of tipping.
 
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I wish they would just put those in the service industry on the regular minimum wage and forget the tipping.
 
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crusse10 said:
he was probably just a terrible tipper for a while and someone explained to him the ins and outs of tipping.
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This kind of statement from restaurant workers has always infuriated me.

The "ins and outs of tipping" are pretty simple - earn your money (aka gratuity)
 
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utvolpj said:
This kind of statement from restaurant workers has always infuriated me.

The "ins and outs of tipping" are pretty simple - earn your money (aka gratuity)
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I mean less about "appropriate percentages" and more about the pay system and how no tip equates to no earnings
 
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BearCat204 said:
I wish they would just put those in the service industry on the regular minimum wage and forget the tipping.
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Good service would vanish. Those who are actually good at their jobs would leave and would be replaced with people who would only do the bare minimum. Prices would skyrocket. Enjoyment at restaurants would decline across the board.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I wish they would just put those in the service industry on the regular minimum wage and forget the tipping.
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Working a tip worthy job can be very lucrative. Some of the servers I work with can bring in $200 to $500 a shift on a good day. They can have slow days too though and not make as much. That's why I prefer being in the kitchen, no matter how busy it is I get paid regardless. As it's set up now they only make 2.13 an hour so their tips can be taxed.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'd guess it's in part because pay across the board rises while server pay remains the same $2.13 (if you're in a state that isn't too expensive for cost of living).

I almost always tip large if I can, but that's because I've been in the service industry for a decade. I can generally tell if something is the fault of the server or the kitchen and if the server seems to care about an issue if it were to arise.

I'd say a legit tip for service that doesn't impede your ability to enjoy a meal is 18%.
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I worked in the service industry in the 1990's and can't believe that some of those wages are the same as they were back then for servers.

But of course, most entitled 'Muricans don't realize this because they have any idea of how anything works in this country.
 
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crusse10 said:
I mean less about "appropriate percentages" and more about the pay system and how no tip equates to no earnings
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Which had zero to do with the customer. Wages are between employee and employer. If you have issues making ends meet as a server then maybe it's just not for you.
 
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For those still in the service industry, I still tip in cash as much as possible, even when I pay via card. Does that still make a difference to servers?
 
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crusse10 said:
Good service would vanish. Those who are actually good at their jobs would leave and would be replaced with people who would only do the bare minimum. Prices would skyrocket. Enjoyment at restaurants would decline across the board.
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They'll be replaced by technology. It's already happening at many chain (or comparable) places and there's really no drop-off.
 
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erwinjrvol88 said:
Working a tip worthy job can be very lucrative. Some of the servers I work with can bring in $200 to $500 a shift on a good day. They can have slow days too though and not make as much. That's why I prefer being in the kitchen, no matter how busy it is I get paid regardless. As it's set up now they only make 2.13 an hour so their tips can be taxed.
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The same as it was when I worked in the service industry 18 years ago.

Again, these entitled 'Muricans have no clue that wage inflation doesn't exist. So they belly-ache and moan about expected tips going up over time.
 
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crusse10 said:
Good service would vanish. Those who are actually good at their jobs would leave and would be replaced with people who would only do the bare minimum. Prices would skyrocket. Enjoyment at restaurants would decline across the board.
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I expected this response from someone in the service industry. Most of them are entitled jackass's that think as long as they fill your drink every 30 minutes and as long as they are halfway decent in the way they communicate with you, they deserve that 18-22%......and I have worked my fair time in the service industry.
 
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utvolpj said:
They'll be replaced by technology. It's already happening at many chain (or comparable) places and there's really no drop-off.
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Going to The Clown or The King for a burger and fries is one thing. But going to a restaurant for a sit down meal is a bit different, isn't it?

But then again, with as many people nowadays that I see sitting across from each other with their phones out, we may as well just let these guys order their meals on their iphones and just forget about servers all together.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wouldn't have expected that response from you.
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Why? I have done the job and made plenty of money. If someone is expecting me to make up their salary shortcomings then they should earn it. I have no qualms about tipping for very good service but will easily do the opposite too.

My real issue is that 99% of servers blame a bad tip on the customer. Fits very well with the subject of the thread
 
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Don't get me wrong, being a server or bartender isn't rocket science. But wages have not gone up for servers in at least 20 years in many cases...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Going to The Clown or The King for a burger and fries is one thing. But going to a restaurant for a sit down meal is a bit different, isn't it?

But then again, with as many people nowadays that I see sitting across from each other with their phones out, we may as well just let these guys order their meals on their iphones and just forget about servers all together.
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I've seen it write a few places while traveling. Most often end up at chain places around the hotel since time is short. Had it at Chili's quite a few times and it did not alter the experience. I actually preferred it to an extent
 
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utvolpj said:
I've seen it write a few places while traveling. Most often end up at chain places around the hotel since time is short. Had it at Chili's quite a few times and it did not alter the experience. I actually preferred it to an extent
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The only reason I will go to a Chili's is because of their happy hour, chips and salsa, and how you can order using that keypad on the table.
 
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utvolpj said:
My real issue is that 99% of servers blame a bad tip on the customer. Fits very well with the subject of the thread
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Oh come on... 99%? No need to exaggerate.

Look, there is enough blame to go around. I've had my fair share of bad servers. I give them 0-10%. But I haven't had to do that in like 2-3 months and probably hadn't done it before then in over a year, and this is coming from someone that eats out at least 5 times per week. So I have a good sample size. Most servers and bartenders do an average job. That gets you the customary 1$ for every 5$ spent/20% tip. I give 20% because I am aware that these guys are not making jack squat and haven't been making squat since I left the industry.

The cost of living and the amount of fiat money printing since 1998 has decreased the value of a dollar, while we are still paying these people dot-com era wages.
 
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utvolpj said:
Tips are based on prices. Have prices also been stagnant for the last 20yrs?
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You've read it in here yourself, pj. Their hourly wage is less than $2.50 per hour... the same as it was 18 years ago. If they don't make any tips that day, their tip share is based on food sales and they could actually LOSE money that day.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You've ready it in here yourself, pj. Their hourly wage is less than $2.50 per hour... the same as it was 28 years ago. If they don't make any tips that day, their tip share is based on food sales and they could actually LOSE money that day.
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They will not lose money. You can't tip out what you don't have and the salary is still brought to min wage

I don't believe I ever worried about what they said my pay was. Never received a check once I finished training
 
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