Annoying people who always want stuff for free

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BearCat204 said:
The only reason I will go to a Chili's is because of their happy hour, chips and salsa, and how you can order using that keypad on the table.
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And pay with it too. Removed my worry about interrupting a smoke break
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wow... again. I am very surprised you feel that strongly about service worker tipping.
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No, I feel strongly about service workers complaining about their tips and thinking it's my responsibility to make sure their wage requirements are met. I have no issues paying for the service
 
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utvolpj said:
It's such a myth that they built an entire restaurant category around it
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The problem with most of these places (Hooters, Twin Peaks etc) is a lot of girls who work there get used to older guys coming in and just wanting a little attention and then tipping like 30-40%, that they forget it's their job to make sure they give quality service. I've given a horrible tip in a few of these places for this exact reason, if I wanted to have someone's boobs shoved in my face there are plenty of strip clubs to visit. Bring me another beer and quit worrying how people think you look.

My dad plays poker with a group of guys once a week and there's one guy that plays who's pretty well off (7 figure income). Anyway, he always brags about going to these laces and how the women are all over him and his buddy and how he can get all he wants out of them blah blah blah...This guy is late 50's probably 6'2 and around 400-500lbs. They know he has money and all it takes is them putting their arm around him or taking a few selfies and he just opens up his wallet...pretty sad
 
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Sin City Vol said:
That's called fast food or a buffet
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Come on. Honestly, do you really believe the kid working your section at Applebee's does much to add to your night? Are things really that much different if he's making $8-9/hr with no tips?
 
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utvolpj said:
Come on. Honestly, do you really believe the kid working your section at Applebee's does much to add to your night? Are things really that much different if he's making $8-9/hr with no tips?
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He/she doesn't add anything to my night but the kid at Applebees would be taking a huge paycut if you eliminated tips and would have no reason other than to keep a minimum wage job to go above and beyond when it came to the service he/she provides.

On an average night your typical server has 4-5 tables that they're responsible for (we'll say they have 4 4-top tables). So at max, he or she will be waiting on 16 people during each hour (on average). Let's use Applebees as your choice of eatery. So the average meal at Applebees including drink will run you $10-$15 per person (booze increases this significantly). So during that one hour as he/she is waiting on those 16 people. Their total in sales will be between $160 and $240. If they receive an average 15% tip for that hour they'll get between $24 and $36 an hour. This is exactly why no one would work for a place waiting tables/bartending making $9 an hour and no tips.

So what would be easier for servers and bartenders, dealing with demanding customers who's kid needs another cherry coke and more crackers to throw all over the floor or the $$$$ faced guy at the bar who keeps asking the female bartender for her number for $9 or going to the mall and not dealing with as much BS for the same pay?

Back in the early 90's when I was doing this, if I didn't make $25 a hour I felt I was wasting my time being there.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He/she doesn't add anything to my night but the kid at Applebees would be taking a huge paycut if you eliminated tips and would have no reason other than to keep a minimum wage job to go above and beyond when it came to the service he/she provides.
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Yet the argument is that they aren't making enough money. If he's having to take a huge paycut with a job paying above min wage then where's the real issue? Seems the system works
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He/she doesn't add anything to my night but the kid at Applebees would be taking a huge paycut if you eliminated tips and would have no reason other than to keep a minimum wage job to go above and beyond when it came to the service he/she provides.

On an average night your typical server has 4-5 tables that they're responsible for (we'll say they have 4 4-top tables). So at max, he or she will be waiting on 16 people during each hour (on average). Let's use Applebees as your choice of eatery. So the average meal at Applebees including drink will run you $10-$15 per person (booze increases this significantly). So during that one hour as he/she is waiting on those 16 people. Their total in sales will be between $160 and $240. If they receive an average 15% tip for that hour they'll get between $24 and $36 an hour. This is exactly why no one would work for a place waiting tables/bartending making $9 an hour and no tips.

Back in the early 90's when I was doing this, if I didn't make $25 a hour I felt I was wasting my time being there.
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I definitely think the service would drop. A pet peeve of mine is my glass sitting empty or if I order a beer and it takes 15 minutes to get it. If they're not expecting a tip they have no incentive to provide me good service.
 
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utvolpj said:
They'll be replaced by technology. It's already happening at many chain (or comparable) places and there's really no drop-off.
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IS technology going to bring your food to you? make your drinks behind the bar? All technology is doing is making sure you can get things a little faster but someone has to make it and someone has to bring it to you
 
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SaluteToTheHill said:
I definitely think the service would drop. A pet peeve of mine is my glass sitting empty or if I order a beer and it takes 15 minutes to get it. If they're not expecting a tip they have no incentive to provide me good service.
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I 100% guarantee it would drop! Servers and bartenders in restaurants talk all the time and they will let each other know who a difficult customer is or who is cheap but demanding and won't tip but 5-10%. If a customer get's the reputation of being cheap and an A-Hole, the service they receive will decline and the bartender/server will nickel and dime them for every little thing they can. Next time you're in your local favorite restaurant and they know you really well, check and see if they charge you for tea or soda, or even if you get a free draft beer or something like that. Servers and bartenders take care of those that take care of them.

I agree with you on the refilling of drinks, if I'm out drinking I will usually tell my server if they see my drink get to a certain level go ahead and get me a new one, no reason to ask.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
IS technology going to bring your food to you? make your drinks behind the bar? All technology is doing is making sure you can get things a little faster but someone has to make it and someone has to bring it to you
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Food/drink runners and bus boys can handle most of the front. Pay them a bit more and still allow a spot on the check for tips (which will be smaller).
 
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utvolpj said:
Food/drink runners and bus boys can handle most of the front. Pay them a bit more and still allow a spot on the check for tips (which will be smaller).
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You're kidding yourself if you think that's the way it will work out. Bus Boys??? Places still have those?

If you don't wanna tip then don't. I'm just telling you, once you get that reputation the service you receive will be less than extrodinary
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Back in the early 90's when I was doing this, if I didn't make $25 a hour I felt I was wasting my time being there.
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I averaged about $20 per hour with a full station (2-4 hours). The "clock in and wait" for the rush and my end of shift side work plus cleaning my station (i goofed off A LOT) reduced it to $12-$15 per hour.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I 100% guarantee it would drop! Servers and bartenders in restaurants talk all the time and they will let each other know who a difficult customer is or who is cheap but demanding and won't tip but 5-10%. If a customer get's the reputation of being cheap and an A-Hole, the service they receive will decline and the bartender/server will nickel and dime them for every little thing they can. Next time you're in your local favorite restaurant and they know you really well, check and see if they charge you for tea or soda, or even if you get a free draft beer or something like that. Servers and bartenders take care of those that take care of them.

I agree with you on the refilling of drinks, if I'm out drinking I will usually tell my server if they see my drink get to a certain level go ahead and get me a new one, no reason to ask.
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Yeah, I don't go to many places enough that they know me but there are two that know me fairly well. They do take care of me because I tip well, always have. Especially if I've had a few drinks lol. My wife is always getting these coupon books with 10 to 15% off local restaurants too, I add whatever we save there to the tip.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
You're kidding yourself if you think that's the way it will work out. Bus Boys??? Places still have those?

If you don't wanna tip then don't. I'm just telling you, once you get that reputation the service you receive will be less than extrodinary
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Its not going to happen. Why would restaurant owners voluntarily double or triple wages when the consumer is covering that portion for them?
 
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utvolpj said:
Food/drink runners and bus boys can handle most of the front. Pay them a bit more and still allow a spot on the check for tips (which will be smaller).
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Busboys, hostesses, runners and expediters are all usually covered by tip share (depending on the restaurant). So how much more are you going to pay those guys and gals?
 
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SaluteToTheHill said:
Yeah, I don't go to many places enough that they know me but there are two that know me fairly well. They do take care of me because I tip well, always have. Especially if I've had a few drinks lol. My wife is always getting these coupon books with 10 to 15% off local restaurants too, I add whatever we save there to the tip.
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Yea we do the same thing and I'm the same after a few drinks, I feel like Warren Buffet :)

"Its not going to happen. Why would restaurant owners voluntarily double or triple wages when the consumer is covering that portion for them?"

EXACTLY!!!! This is exactly why you never see bus boys anymore, it saves them money in the long run to have all the servers working together and helping keep tables clear plus it means more tips if it can be sat right away.

I loved working in bars and restaurants, made some great friends, great connections through networking and met a few ladies in my single days.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
You're kidding yourself if you think that's the way it will work out. Bus Boys??? Places still have those?

If you don't wanna tip then don't. I'm just telling you, once you get that reputation the service you receive will be less than extrodinary
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I've never said I do not tip. I've simply said to not expect a good tip because you were able to pin 12 pieces of flair to your suspenders

You're also way overstating the "bad customer" rep that servers will talk about. Unless you had been there a dozen times I likely had no clue who you were and really didn't care. I don't ever remember someone coming up to me and saying that the guy at my table was demanding and didn't tip. If they had I likely would have accepted the challenge.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Busboys, hostesses, runners and expediters are all usually covered by tip share (depending on the restaurant). So how much more are you going to pay those guys and gals?
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Not up to me and I only ever tipped out bartenders. I'm simply saying that the belief a server can't be easily replaced by a few less employees and a couple of tablets is very short sighted. It's already happening
 
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utvolpj said:
I've never said I do not tip. I've simply said to not expect a good tip because you were able to pin 12 pieces of flair to your suspenders

You're also way overstating the "bad customer" rep that servers will talk about. Unless you had been there a dozen times I likely had no clue who you were and really didn't care. I don't ever remember someone coming up to me and saying that the guy at my table was demanding and didn't tip. If they had I likely would have accepted the challenge.
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I'm not overstating the "bad customer" rep at all....these people remember, trust me I used to do this back in the day and I still remember some of my favorite customers and some of the crappy ones...Maybe not by name but definitely their face. That's been over 20 years ago
 
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